Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Design meeting on Wed Jul/13 with PolyPoly about collecting user data

Hi Eyal,

I’m totally with you. We are a cooperative fully owned by users and we would never support any kind 
of spyware. We are working on a third way (which I will explain during the call) and even that one 
must be an explicit opt in. Please stay sceptical, that is highly appreciated - too many 
people/companies played awful games with users. 

Best
-Thorsten

> On 30. Jun 2022, at 18:38, Eyal Rozenberg <eyalroz1@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> I am staunchly opposed to LO shipping with any sort of data collection
> by default. It's better not to have user metrics then to install spyware.
>
> I would only accept something which meets the following criteria:
>
> 1. An add-on; not included in the default installer.
> 2. Not directly suggested to users upon installation (i.e. no "Would you
> like to help us blah blah blah?" which installs the spyware; that's
> manipulative).
> 3. Every single transmission of data requires explicit authorization,
> with a review dialog that gives a good enough idea of what data is
> transmitted. Alternatively, prominent visual indication on the LO
> windows that activity info is being gathered.
> 4. Personally-identifying information scrubbing mechanism, before
> transmission.
> 5. Easy to remove the spyware.
>
> Will try to make the meeting.
>
> Eyal
>
> PS - Once you install spyware, the tendency is to spy on more and more
> activity. Let's not go down that road.
>
>
>
>
> On 30/06/2022 11:51, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > this is a very early invitation to a meeting in two weeks, which
> > hopefully allows you to schedule this slot.
> >
> > PolyPoly [1] is a start-up company with the goal to collect user data in
> > a fair and transparent way and to allow combining information by keeping
> > full control. Bjoern had a talk at the LibreOffice conference and
> > recommended it for LibreOffice. In fact we need user metrics for various
> > questions, for example the default UI [3], while we clearly have
> > problems with representativity in own surveys [4].
> >
> > The plan for this meeting is to collect ideas, outline areas for
> > investigation, and prepare the next steps. As always: Everyone is
> > welcome to join the call and share their opinion. The meeting will be
> > held on Wednesday, July/13, 20:00 CEST/GMT+2 resp. 6pm UTC at
> > https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Heiko
> >
> > [1] https://polypoly.org
> > [2] https://peertube.opencloud.lu/w/koPJCc1NYkoi2wADvbvhb2
> > [3] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501
> > [4]
> > https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2021/10/18/results-from-the-survey-about-libreoffice-calc/


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