[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2021-Apr-28

Present: Eyal, Sascha, Heiko

General discussion

 * Procedure of handling closed topics
   + me doesn't close reopened tickets (Heiko)
     + trying to have not too many tickets requesting input from UX
   + UI changes that are not consensual - how are future suggestions
    for reversal treated (regardless of time)? (Eyal)
    + we have a democratic approach, if the majority of commenters
      have an opinion this is the way to go (whether to resolve or not)
    + meritocracy counts, experts' option are paramount
    + consistency is prime, changing things back and forth are bad

  + it's always legitimate to reopen/create tickets to reconsider decisions
    + however, convincing people from the opposite of the previous decisions
      takes much more persuasion; usually those tickets are quickly
      closed again
  + is there a formal procedure to file a bug? (Eyal)
    + everyone should be able to write down ideas; QA/UX asks back what the
      use case is, if it affects more users/use cases, and what a general
      solution might be
  + would be nice to have these information somewhere
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport is a guideline but
      maybe missing the point on enhancements
    => AI: expand on this

Tickets/Topic

 * Drag and drop below the last position should place the caret at the end
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135905
   + allow or block dragging beyond the end of document
   + current situation allows to drop in the void and pasts at the end,
     which is convenient precision-wise (Sascha)
     + is drag/drop at the end of the document a common workflow? (Heiko)
     + yes, i do so often; in particular with images (Eyal, Sascha)
   + can follow the OP's idea of a clear workflow; position of caret is wrong
   + if we show the caret at the correct position at the end it might be
     a proper compromise (Eyal)
   => reopen the ticket and adjust the summary

 * Add indicator of text outside page boundary eg. due to negative indentation
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47718
   + Frames (without Autosize) show a red "text overflow" triangle; we should
     do the same on indentation beyond the canvas
   + the specific choice of a red color could be a bit annoying visually,
     somewhat garish (Eyal)
   + showing the triangle outside the document canvas wouldn't draw it over
     the text
   + do we need to allow overly low/high values at all? (Sascha)
     + IIRC, MSO allows to indent by ~10km ;-)
     + It's useful because the page width might change, and 'invalid' values
       may become valid again or vice-versa (Eyal)
   => do it

 * Add Gutter Margin in Page Margin drop down menu of layout tab of
   Tabbed interface
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141720
   + not needed in the floating widget as it's not a frequently used
     feature (Heiko, Sascha)
     + /ranting: this widget with quick access to properties seems to be
       a direct formatting but changes the page style and is wrong in the
       first place (Heiko)
     + nah, it's a useful thing to play with margins and see how it looks
       immediately, rather than guess, in the dialog, how the new margins will
       look when you close the dialog (Eyal)
   + it is well-known among the experts (Eyal)
   + widget is labeled "margins" (Sascha)
     + another tool/notebookbar item, named "Gutter", instead of the request of
       this bug? (Eyal)
     + same arguments, -1 (Heiko)
   + sympathize with the idea and my -1 is a weak one (Eyal)
     + notebookbar protagonists should make a statement
   => keep the ticket
 * Add a view option for 'Book view' to suppress page gutter
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140565
   + always show gutter; view menu is too long right now, users don't know
     book view mode neither gutter - but would be confronted on the menu 
(Heiko)
   + would introduce an option to hide the gutter (Sascha)
   + show by default but bind to "Show Whitespace" (Eyal)
     + features are not related to each other (Heiko)
   + clicking on the gutter could collapse to a minimum and clicking this would
     expand back (Eyal)
     + requires a menu entry for a11y (Heiko)
   + no objection to the UNO command "Show Gutter" that can be customized
     somewhere (Heiko)
   => do so
 * Allow page gutter position 'Right' for left pages
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140568
   + important for RTL/LTR documents (Eyal)
   + left/right is supposed to be superseded by even/odd (Sascha)
   + perhaps "side" (and top) instead of left (Heiko)
   => let's discuss on BZ


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