Re: [libreoffice-design] Two-years plan

Hi All,

Thanks for coming up with this topic, Heiko. The idea came to my mind after
the discussion about a dialogue about the different UI / notebookbar
implementations, where we discuss reducing the notebookbar implementations,
... I work very long on the different notebookbars and had always in mind
to find a good solution for users AND developers. Which means that if there
was a bug I made compromises cause there was no developer available, ... In
the end nobody knows what to do with all this work. So I think it would be
way more useful to make some targets and work on them instead of doing
whatever you want and in the end nobody wants it.

My general ideas for goals for a 2 year plan are:
- find general UI solutions (HIG's) where ALL community members will work
on.
- define targets (meta bugs) where developers and designers will work on.
- reduce different UI layouts to simplify the UI.

Some more specific goals:
- define the UI for desktop, mobile, tablet and web (LOOL) so that we have
a unify "brand/layout"
- have one theming engine for the different platforms which fit mobile,
desktop, online, color scheme, ...

I'm happy to work on any goal doesn't matter if it's from community, CIB,
Colabora, ...

cheers
Andreas_K


Am Fr., 14. Aug. 2020 um 16:54 Uhr schrieb Csongor Halmai <csongor@halmai.hu
> :

> Hi All,
>
> I don't know too much (khm. I don't know anything:)) about the internal
> structure of the LO code base. But the question is what I would like
> to see in 2 years so, if you don't mind, I let me go crazy and come up
> with wild ideas, regardless of how easy they are to implement.
>
>
>
> I think it is a waste of the developer resources to redesign the user
> interface every fifth year, when the fashion changes. What did work
> very well in the past, is the add-on system of Firefox. I would like to
> see something similar in LibreOffice.
>
> (I am talking about the first version of the FF addons, when there was a
> lot of freedom, not the newer model, when a lot of nice old addons
> don't work anymore.)
>
>
> It would be great if there was a separate code base in LO which
> manipulates the document itself and a sharply separated other one which is
> responsible for the UI. They should communicate on an interface which
> makes it possible to write UI add-ons for LibreOffice in
> easier-to-learn programming languages, for example Python and/or
> JavaScript, not just C/C++/
>
> In that case, the community would win a lot of competing UIs from
> enthusiastic developers and some of them would be really good. People, who
> are experts of UIs but don't necessarily want to learn the deep secrets of
> the LO code base, would be able to make their on add-ons, like
> thousands of Firefox add-ons made the browser really popular.
>
> After this structural change, people who know LO deeper, can focus on new
> functions, performance improvements, better compatibility and
> other useful things while people, who want to make spectacular UI, can
> focus on just the UI, without knowing too much about the internal
> parts of LO.
>
> There would always be one or two official UI packages which offers an
> acceptable balance between functionality, beauty and used resouces but
> people could choose 3rd party UI add-ons freely, from a LibeOffice add-on
> store.
>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: I am writing this idea without having any clue what the
> current structure of the code base is and how complicated this change
> would be. Take this just as it is. As an idea which can be ignored if it
> is totally useless. :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Csongor
>
>
>
>
> On 14/08/2020 06:45, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > other communities such as KDE [1] plan the work for next releases. This
> idea
> > also comes up repeatedly for LibreOffice; and while steering in a narrow
> sense
> > is not possible, it make sense to have a common vision for the next two
> years.
> > That's why Andreas Kainz suggested an IRC meeting. We should do this
> similar to
> > the question what topics to foster for next year's GSoC [2]. An example
> for such
> > a 2-year plan clould be to rework all property dialogs and to get rid of
> tabs in
> > favor of a sidebar with text/icons (see tdf#113418; controversially
> discussed in
> > the design meeting today).
> >
> > Please think about where you see LibreOffice in 2 years and what you
> want the
> > design/UX group to achieve. I suggest to share the ideas first here.
> >
> > The meeting should be on Sep/02 at 6pm UTC / 20:00 CEST (Berlin)
> (replacing the
> > usual weekly meeting). We talk on IRC #libreoffice-design (bridged to
> Telegram).
> > Looking forward your thoughts,
> > Heiko
> >
> > [1] https://community.kde.org/Schedules
> > [2] https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg09343.html
>
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