Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2019-JAN-22 (WED)

Hello all,

I must withdraw my point "First". I was wrong when I thought that the 
necessity of two separate steps would pose a problem: they are connected 
by their common index entry.

Cheers
Gerhard

Am 22.01.2020 um 00:00 schrieb Gerhard Weydt:
> Am 21.01.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Heiko Tietze:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > the next design/UX meeting is tomorrow, WED JAN/22nd,
> > 20:00 Berlin/CET/GMT+1 resp. 7pm UTC.
> >
> > Here is the agenda:
> >
> >
> >   * ALPHABETICAL INDEX: make it easier to index ranges of pages
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130003
> >     + WFM
> The request seems sensible. Taking his example World War I 34-61: You 
> will not find the term on every page, although the subject is present 
> on all these pages. In fact, the request means an extension of the 
> present concept of an index, which shows all pages where the index 
> entry does actually appear; the present situation is equivalent to the 
> result of a search for this term. The request proposes to add some 
> more general terms to the index, meaning that pages are included which 
> do not contain the exact entry, but deal with it. Adding such general 
> terms to an index could be helpful for the reader.
> Although, as I said, I deem the request reasonable, I see problems for 
> the realisation.
> First: the addition of the checkboxes proposed concerns two separate 
> steps; what happens if one omits the second step?, Or if one starts 
> with the end step? Or intermingles two terms?
> Second: R. Green obviously assumes in his cited example that the term 
> "World War I" actually appears on the first and last page of the range 
> he wishes to be displayed. For such a general term this might be 
> probable for the first page, but for the last page I would not expect 
> that the probability is higher than 50 %. Hence one would have to use 
> some trick, perhaps an invisible text as index entry, I haven't tried 
> do that; but if it works, it would be easy to copy that to each of the 
> intermittent pages, thus making the requested extension of the 
> functionality unnecessary.
> Third: the cited example suggests another way of adding such entries 
> to the index: creating a general term and then setting markers on the 
> first and last pages of a range, and this should be repeatable: World 
> War I 23-45, 67, 89- 92...
> I think that the scenario shown in the last section really would cover 
> the intention of the request, seen as a general concept for Writer, 
> but I have no ideas how to realise that, and I'm not sure if adding 
> such functionality is worth the effort.
> >   * Add tooltip to explain greyed out "Inherit from" in "Numbering 
> > Style" dialog
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129910
> >     + add tooltip (when disabled) or hide for numbering/page style 
> > (see c3)
> Agree with your last statement: Greying out is as good a sign for a 
> function not applicable as its absence, but might be easier to 
> achieve. Hence I do not support the request.
> >   * LibreOffice Options Start Page
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130083
> >     + do we need a start page?
> I simply don't understand.
> >   * Gray out categories in Navigator, if they have zero instances
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129625
> >     + WFM since disabling root nodes is very uncommon and prevents 
> > interactions (Heiko)
> I don't understand the reference to a very complicated text in your 
> last answer in the bug report, but I think a missing plus sign should 
> be sufficient. So I see no need for the request.
> >   * Show footnotes and endnotes in Navigator
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98005
> >
> >
> >
> > Full pad including backlog is here:
> > https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design
> >
> > Hope to see you on Jitsi at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Heiko


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