Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-May-30

Le 31/05/2018 à 11:08, Heiko Tietze a écrit :
> On 31.05.2018 10:58, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
> >        * Gridlines on zoom
> >         +https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117348
> >         + different color (dark grey) (Pedro)
> >           + available as option (see c15) (Regina)
> >         + adjust dot's distance depending on zoom factor (Heiko)
> >         + dots should remain a reasonable size and shift in conjunction with zoom (Stuart)
> >         => change it similar to dashed line of text boxes; zoom in goes with smaller distance and 
> > larger dots
> >
> > ​Since I was traveling home and couldn't join:
> >
> > As Regina said, it is possible to change color now (and I changed the color in my instalation) 
> > however LO needs sane defaults that make it usable by most people.
> > It's a bit silly to keep a default color for the dots with terrible contrast and visibility from 
> > the time of Open Office...
> > The grid is turned off by default already. Anyone that turns it on, is because it needs to use it 
> > as an auxiliary tool. If it's barely visible, because it is Light Gray on White Background then it 
> > becomes nearly useless.
> > Also the steps to change its color require the user to really dig deep into the options menu. 
> > Should we expect that from a novice user or even an intermediate user?
> You are the only advocate of a darker color and we agreed in the meeting to keep the light grey. It 
> works perfectly at 100% and just needs adjustment for other zoom levels.

I know I'm discussing after the meeting but you could add me in CC of 
such bugs if you want me to see them.

If a sighted person report to us the contrast is not good we shouldn't 
think in term of number of people, IMO we should think in term of 
usability. Most of visual-impaired people I've met and also myself need 
contrasted stuff on their screen. It's also useful for elderly people 
and most of people we obtain a better UX on their computer.

Pedro is fully right, PowerPoint is more contrasted than LibreOffice 
Impress in his screenshots. Why we shouldn't be as contrasted as 
PowerPoint ? It's not needed to have a dotted background but having 
black dot on rectangle box is, indeed, helpful.

The accessibility guidelines of the W3C WCAG 2.0 guidelines specify to 
use a contrast level of at least 4.5 : see 
https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-contrast.html

@Heiko: Hope my feedback could help to decide.

Best regards,
Alex.

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