Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice 6.0 and Notebookbar

I like this smaller toolbar listed as

"New variant of Notebookbar - Tabbed Compact for Writer (experimental 
feature) tdf#107237 (Andreas Kainz)"

I found that any more toolbars than is shown in my LO install, it does 
not give me enough "text space" to use, unless I change the "default" 
page view size - i.e. zoom out to see more of the page in the editing 
"window".

http://libreoffice-na.us/menubar.jpg

In my opinion, I do not like the first two Notebookbar variants, for 
that same reason.  Actually these remind me of the toolbars in Windows 
10 file explorer and other Windows packages. I do not like Win10, but 
forced to have in installed for some specialty software that has no 
working replacement in Linux [so far]. Since these new Notebookbars 
remind me of the ones in Windows, I see only one reason for them - have 
toolbars/notebookbar similar to Window's [and MS Office] so it would be 
an easier migration to LibreOffice. Otherwise it takes up too much of 
the usable screen space.

On 11/23/2017 06:36 AM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
> I think that focusing on getting the Notebookbar ready for 6.0 should be a
> top priority.
> It's nice to know that a few toolbars are already designed for it. After
> having it complete making Notebookbar implementations that emulate the
> current toolbars that are not using the Notebookbar would also be a good
> idea to fully transition to it eventually.
>
> As for the Office 2013 icons not sure if those icons can be included in the
> LO release. Won't they infringe on MSO look and feel?
> Wasn't there was a survey where people preferred the Breeze icons as
> default for the Windows release?
> Maybe use the Breeze icon set by default for Windows? Because most users
> like it and it almost has a native feel on Windows 10, Windows 8 and 8.1 -
> which are the majority of Windows installations already. These three
> versions of Windows account for over 50% of Windows installations (
> http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide
> ,
> https://www.windowslatest.com/2017/10/02/windows-10-still-steadily-increasing-terms-market-share/
> ).
> It would logical to use an icon set that is adjusted to the UI of the
> majority of Windows installations and that is preferred by the users.
>
> The elementary icon set looks great in Linux installs though.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:42 AM, kainz.a <kainz.a@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes it would be very cool to have the notebookbar away from experimental.
> >
> > In general there are some open bugs where most of them can be closed
> > during a google summer of code project. From the marketing point of view
> > we should bring the notebookbar to the user. As member of the design team
> > I would say let's go AFTER we can work together with a full time developer
> > for two weeks.
> >
> > The following implementations can be finished for the 6.0 release
> > - tabbed toolbar
> > - tabbed toolbar compact
> > - groupedbar
> > - groupedbar compact
> >
> > There wan't be no new icon theme, but the elementary icon theme
> > will get a full upgrade and 98% of the icons will be ready for the 6.0
> > release.
> > In addition we can promote the icon theme extension
> > where the community can submitt user specific icon themes.
> >
> > I will talk with the designer of the Office 2013 icon theme
> > that it will be available as extension and ready for the 6.0 release.
> > So ideally we have the tabbed toolbar with Office 2013 icons.
> >
> > That's my dream for LibreOffice 6.0 Mike.
> > I will work on the elementary icons and the notebookbar ui files,
> > for all applications. If you find a developer, the dream can become
> > true without my work in 2017 will be available only for experimental
> > users.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Andreas_K


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