[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Oct-14

Present: Jay, Cor, Kendy, Heiko, Stuart, Tomaz

Organization

 * News wrt. comments for tickets being assigned and in implementation (esp. easyhacks)
   + do not comment publicly in this state
   + do not comment when needsUXEval has been removed
   + do not use NEEDINFO / use NEEDINFO to identify tickets to be resolved
   + be kind
 * Sources of official materials missing
   + take care of it AI => kendy
   + add this to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
 * Design session next week about versioning with Sharepoint integration
   + starting after the hangout at 15:00 CEST (Oct/21)
   
Tickets

 * Always allow spacing to contents even when there is no border set (for frames but also page, 
paragraph...)
   + tdf#41542 (solved to deal with round-trips/as compatibility feature for doc files; but still 
disabled)
   + pro: flexibility, con: legacy issue/compatibility/odf spec?
   + good idea (jay)
   + Regina might have had concerns because of inteference with other areas
       (e.g. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33041
       Allow page background to cover the whole page,   not only within page borders) (Cor)
   => make sure that nothing breaks but green otherwise (AI Heiko: talk to Regina)

 * Allow toolbars in full-screen mode?
   + e.g. quick find https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95462
   + pro: no limitation for users, con: clear concept without; only the qf-bar has a shortcut
   + full screen mode is for writing, no need to have floating toolbars (Cor, Jay)
   + How about Navigator in a floating toolbar? (Heiko)
     + Not needed (Jay), not today (Cor)
     + Technical limitation perhaps (kendy)
   => No guideline will be defined; basically the mode is to close/hide toolbars and other controls

 * Bring back "Clear direct formatting"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102915
   + Pro: most users want it; Con: keep the menus clean; preference for styles
   + better processes needed; user workflow should be the first argument; useful in both (Stuart)
   + it is available at the toolbar, no need for the contex menu (Jay)
   + context menu is informative for beginners (Cor)
   + probably beginners do not know what it means (kendy)
   => bring it back but into submenu (~60% decision)
 
 * Show restart message after extension installation or update menu automatically (cornouws, 
20161002):
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46279
   + I've reopened because IMO it sucks.. 
   + No response from the people, so maybe something we should just live with??
   + It makes sense to not ask for restart when it isn't needed. But whether this is added to the 
description or 
     where ever is not a matter of UX I'd say. (Heiko)
   => revert the patch; add to extension spec for option to restart



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