Re: [libreoffice-design] Reviews of Libre Office focusing on the UI...

> > of the functions of the formatting toolbar are present in the Sidebar.
> > Maybe we could experiment removing the formatting toolbar by default?
>
> Whilst I am all in favour of abolishing the formatting bar, including
> its complete and utter elimination from the sidebar, the issue I see, if
> the formatting bar is removed, is people that have Stylist, Navigator,
> and the formatting toolbar open at the same time. Can all three be
> correctly displayed, in full, in the side bar?


​Pardon if I wasn't clear, when I mentioned removing the formatting toolbar
I intended to say to turn it off from the default UI but still accessible
from the View menu.​

​I would never remove it from the Sidebar because many people (not
organizations mind you)​ prefer to use the formatting toolbar instead of
Styles and I dislike having the devs imposing their preferred workflow on
the users (or how they think the software should be used. I would equate
that move to what MS did from Office 2003 to 2007 with the release of the
Ribbon UI.
I understand that it's great in many use cases but for many users the
advantages of Styles do not apply and they may have preference for using
the formatting tools. Removing the formatting options altogether from view
would amount to a loss of functionality for many people that don't mess
with the defaults and you would see tremendous backlash.

Also, the Styles and Formatting options in the Sidebar are correctly
displayed in full in the Sidebar in Writer. The Navigator has its own
category so I fail to see an issue there?...
In Calc the Sidebar is lacking the Conditional Formatting options.



> > "Data" section in the Sidebar to manipulate Filtering and Ordering (plus
> a
> > few other functions only present in menus) and transporting a lot of the
>
> Elimination of a toolbar should not result in the elimination of menu
> items.
>
> ​I ​never said it should. What I said is that the formatting toolbar in
Calc exposes functions that are not present in the Sidebar (the conditional
formatting options) so those should present in the Properties Sidebar
before removing the formatting toolbar from Calc.
And creating a Data tab in the Sidebar would allow to expose more Data
manipulation functions than what the toolbar allows right now.



> jonathon
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