[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-07-08

* Present: Heiko, Jay, Marek, Matthias, Kendy, Rishabh, Steve, Stuart
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Breeze updates (Andreas)
    + .ui dialogs improvements (Adolfo)
    + Improvements in thumbnailing (Maxim)
    + Fix selecting location in Properties dialog (Szymon)
    + Sifr updates (Matthias)
    + Tango updates (Adolfo)
    + Redraw the last used color after theme change (Maxim)
    + Make "printer was modified" status persistent (Bubli)
    + Fix search in Expert Configuration dialog (Mihály)
    + Rework start center accelerators (Stuart)
    + Don't attempt to show commontaskbar in Draw (Maxim)
 
* LibreOffice Conference
 
    + September 23-25, 2015, Aarhus, Denmark
    + http://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/call-for-papers/
    + would be great to have you all there :-) - please submit a paper!
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
 
    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
        + Papamatti has pushed new icons (Jay)
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
        + Andreas has pushed some changes (Jay)
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* Templates Competition (Jay)
 
    + Wiki page setup
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Templates_for_LibreOffice_5.0
    + 7 templates submitted so far
        + went through the templates & rated them
        + added notes & recommendations, Jay will follow-up with the authors
 
* GSoC (Rishabh)
 
    + going fine (was facing some problesm, but fine now)
    + finished the slide background section
    + improving the selection analyzer for Writer
 
* LibreOffice 5.0 splash + start center + about box new theme (Kendy)
 
    + polishing is ongoing in the Visual Identity group
    + implementation of the new colors for the start center done (Kendy)
 
* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
 
    + context menus
        + questions about limitations of the amount of items - seems like a misunderstanding
    + sidebar
        + concerns about the fixed size (non-resizability)
        + position of tabs (at the top) - does not work when closed
 
    + dialogs (Heiko)
        + no good guideline for sidebar vs. tabs in the dialogs (what is better when)
        + navigation in the sidebar - is that too much efort though?
        + do the users in fact want changes there?
            + like, the text properties now have 9 tabs!
            + seems people like redesigns in general
        + should icons be used?
        + resizability
            + if well designed, no need to resize vs. resize gives freedom to the user
        + not much interested in redesign it seems though
            + let's not change without user's complains
 
* Sidebar constrained by content and resizable (Heiko/Jay/Stuart)
 
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92317
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90374
 
    + concerned that we contstrain the sidebar in the HIG too much (Stuart)
        + when it is too much in the development
        + and before its purpose is settled down
        + like: codifying if it should have fixed size or resizable is a bit premature (Stuart)
    + example: navigator or gallery are more dialogs (Stuart)
        + navigator is actually a floating windows (Jay)
    + sidebar - actually a hybrid between a toolbar and dialog (Stuart)
    + some consistency issue, but overall sidebar fairly consistent UI as is
      and how it continues to develop (Stuart)
        + becomes flexible & rich (Stuart)
 
    + there were additional ideas (like the accordion) (Heiko)
 
    + eg. page size is not necessary in the Sidebar (Heiko)
        + a cut needs to be found (Heiko)
        + sidebar should provide access to the most used features (Heiko)

    + discussion will continue at a future meeting (Jay)
 
* Next Friday's design session (Jay)
 
    + Friday session this week
        + not happening this week as heiko's busy
        + 1:00pm CEST / 11:00 UTC
 
    + List of possible future topics
        + 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing
        + Steve wants the sidebar "configuration menu" icon gone: "it's useless confusing, thus 
user unfriendly,
          creates frustration and clutters the UI."
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91824
 
* Easy hacks for Marek (Jay)
 
    + spell dialog auto-closing - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79312
        + fix committed to master for writer and impress/draw (excluding calc) (Marek)
    + 'Go to Page' dialog - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83054
        + will attempt to work on this (Marek)




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