[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-05-13

* Present: Heiko, Ibrahim, Jay, Kendy, Mattias
 
* Completed Action Items:
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion 
widget
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation@global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects 
changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's 
profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
        + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
          and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after 
discussion on 20150128)
            + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
    + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
         + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar
    + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete
  
* UI changes integrated the last week:
 
    + various improvements in the dialogs (Bubli, Adolfo)
    + various improvements in icons (Andreas, Adolfo)
    + thousand separator & engineering notation in the sidebar (Laurent B-P)
    + better accelerators (Adolfo)
    + optimized PNGs (Andrew)

* Calc default styles
 
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90937
    + 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bt2Gr0JslOLL86xb-bCl76mji5AhHT_8VI-5Wp5Qyq0/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + code for this is here:
        + http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sc/source/core/data/stlpool.cxx#n275
    
    + moggi willing to spend some hacking on using an actual template file instead of the hardcoded 
stuff (Jay)
 
* Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy)
 
    + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart)
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding
        + it is a bit thin, so feel free to hack at it.
        + need some crafting on the Whiteboard as to scope of 5.0 branding proposals, e.g.
          + visual design (color scheme, icons)
          + StartCenter specifics (changes to layout--yes/no--)
          + placment or size of thumbnail views/template views 
          etc.
    + already some responses to posts to Users and Design MLs
 
    + needed: splash, startcenter graphics, about
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements
 
    + reached to some people we know (Heiko, Jay)
        + Kendy had a call with Italo to agree details (Kendy)
AI      + put together the requirements + share with Heiko + Jay (Kendy)
 
* GSoC (Jay)
 
    + when does it actually starts? (Jay)
        + https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015
        + coding begins on 25th (Jay)
            + but no problem sending code already now :-) (Kendy)
            + it of course counts as part of the GSoC (Kendy)
 
* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
    
    + agreed menus & toolbars the last week (Heiko)
    + menus should contain everything - Eve can work with menus
        + while Benjamin prefers toolbars
 
    + Heiko will transfer the content to the wiki, and then writer a summary blogpost
        + announce on the mailing list
        + and a short blopost - about the recent changes (Heiko)
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
 
    + this week mostly Breeze update (Andreas), also Sifr (Papamatti) and Tango updates (Adolfo)
        + some Tango-testing pushed to tango; communication ongoing
    + presentation templates icons - Jay working with Adolfo on that
 
    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing

    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
        + few new pushed - thanks!
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
        + More icons were pushed by Andreas (Jay)
        + It should fallback directly to Galaxy rather than (Jay)
          http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/vcl/source/gdi/impimagetree.cxx#n110
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* needsDevEval (Jay)
 
    + presented the ~10 at ESC
    + query for all the NeedsDevEal was cleaned up
 
    + will present the UI related ones in the ESC weekly (Kendy)
        + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&list_id=533111&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=needsDevEval%20TopicUi&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr
        + still Jay will go through them to remove topicUI from those that do not look like Easy 
Hacks (Jay)
 
 * UX advise bugs in bugzilla (Stuart) (335 bugs in ux-advice today)
 
    + 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&component=ux-advise&list_id=527515&query_format=advanced&resolution=---
    
    + everyone please feel empowered to look at that + act: reject, implement, decide, or bring to
      the meeting or mailing list if controversial
    + please be kind when closing requests, usually people have spent quite some energy filing that
 
    + Jay will go through the ux-advise bugs he has added (Jay)
    + to decrease the backlog, we should take ~5 easy to decide bugs to every meeting, and deal 
with them (Stuart)
        + might be good to track it in a doc (Jay)
            + pad might be enough - let's start with this in the pad for now (Kendy)
        + and for grouping, we can use meta-bug (Stuart/Kendy)
AI      + will parse the list and generate entries to the Design Pad--tdf# and title--and when 
added include

    in a BZ Meta (but put it in UI component) (Stuart)

 
* Next Friday's design session (Jay)
 
    + cancel the 15th May one, next on 22nd
 
    + 12pm UTC
    + Continue with last friday's insert chart discussion as it hasnt been completed
    + List of possible future topics
      
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Topic: Style guide - continued
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
        + like, where we want to rely on other guidelines, and what we want to design / decide
          ourselves
 
* Questions for Kendy (Jay)

    + Is it possible to send function arguments through an UNO command like heiko suggested?
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90882
        + not possible to pass parameters from the toolbar (Kendy)
    + Which context menu does svx/source/form/formshell.src appear in?
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86606
        + something in Calc, but cannot find it quickly :-( - please ping moggi (Kendy)
 
* How autofilter should work (Mattias, Heiko)
 
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416
      Should it be "smart" and try to guess about header fields (and possibly sometimes fail)
      or should it be always consistent and just assume the first row is the header (as MSO does it)

      + sorting is also affected by auto filter
      + check the competitor's solutions (Jay)
        -> define test scenario first
           - what happens when autofilter buttons are placed in the middle of data rows
           - what happens when autofiltered data (some rows hidden) is sorted (using usual sorting 
tool)
           - what happens when you try to filter the autofilter row out (if it's treated as data, 
not in MSO)
      + consider to ask the community in case of more than one good solutions (Heiko)
      + mimic the bevahior of Microsoft Excel if there isn't better (Ibrahim)

    + conclusion in:
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416#c29


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