[libreoffice-design] Re: Website Redesign - Beta

Hello,Would it be possible to postpone the roll-out date?Of course the final
decision is yours, but rolling out a website without considering all the
feedback given above would not be preferable I guess. At least adding some
screenshots and giving product/component specific information is essential I
think - for a software website. For mission specific purposes, there is
always TDF website.  And I see this thread is tagged "beta" referring to the
website design, I am not sure if any major changes done afterwards, but it
still looks exactly the same. So is it still beta, or reached
maturity?Regarding to earlier input, I do not recall any input request
before 21st of January, nor any design mock-up to work on. Please correct if
I am wrong. Best regards,Emir
Charles-H. Schulz wrote
> Er... Thanks folks for your input. As the website will be rolled outnext
> week, and that we requested this kind of feedback since, well,3 months for
> some elements in 3 weeks for the "final" results, I suggestyou, the design
> team, work on a later version of the website later thisyear and
> incorporate the elements that have been listed below. We would have hoped
> for your input much earlier in the process, nowit's a bit too late for
> that.Thanks,Charles.Le Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:49 +0100,Stefan Knorr <

> heinzlesspam@

> > a écrit :> Hi all,> > so, first, I really like the new page,
> especially the fact that it is> now responsive and looks much more modern.
> Lato is a nice font, too.> And it finally feels a bit more personal than
> the current page which> presents pretty models as our community.> > > just
> to voice a few things of my own...> > On 25 January 2014 12:20, bitigçi
> <

> bitigchi@

> > wrote:> > I wonder why the current shade of green which is already
> hosted on> > the splash screen and wiki page? This one is too much dark
> and> > without proper border gradients it looks like it's from 90s.
> Again,> > this is needed for compatibility in all LO web and software> >
> platforms. Seriously, why the need for a change? Splash screen> > green
> shade is very easy on the eyes, and it is good looking. But> > this one
> with white text is not the perfect choice.> > Right. The problem is that
> the splash screen green was not part of our> palette before 4.0. And
> compared to the rest of the palette, it does> look that way, too.> On the
> other hand, I also understand your criticism -- the green is> indeed
> pretty harsh. For me, it still works, though. (However, putting> that
> green in the splash screen again though will not allow for being> subtle.
> And yes, since our branding story should be aligned from> product to
> website at some point, we would have to think about this.> That said, if
> we're using that dark green, it would be much better to> use it for text &
> logo instead of the background.)> > Anyway... One thing that does not work
> is using small black text on> dark green. It doesn't contrast well at all.
> Also, it reminds me of> this:>
> http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/mig/6/2/6/1/2236261-XboxOne1_20201_screen.jpg>
> ;) Wonder why they went with that -- It's actually much worse on a>
> real-life poster.> > > Also white text on white background is a no-no,
> it's literally an> > eye-killer.> > I guess you should explain where on
> the page that was -- I couldn't> find it.> > > > Menus on top should be
> opened automatically on mouse hover, it's the> > standard gesture in all
> websites.> > +1. Also, hovering works with CSS only, for clickable menus
> you need> JS. This means that currently, when disabling JS in the browser,
> the> menu is needlessly broken. (It won't matter for the mobile page, as>
> you can't disable JS in mobile browsers anyway.)> > > > Also as different
> people already stated above, this website needs> > nice screenshots with
> feature explanations, no one cares about what> > kind of sacred mission
> LibreOffice has, people need a software that> > works.> > Yep. Marketing
> to the 10 % (or less) of people that care about the> whole open-source &
> community aspect is very important, but marketing> to the other 90 %
> shouldn't be completely left aside..> > On a similar note: the footer
> communicates to me that this community> is just overkilling it socially.
> Nobody cares, and nobody actually> wants two Twitter feeds to load at the
> bottom of every page (consider> page load times etc.).> Same with the
> "follow us" thing -- two Twitter links, fine. Five? Why?> Also, the
> presence of this bar could be reduced a little (smaller> headline on the
> same line as the icons maybe?).> > A few other things:> + Some mentioned
> the Get Involved page and the carousel there: I> personally don't think
> this makes any sense. There is a limited number> (they are not changing
> every week) of items and people are probably> only interested in one or
> two very specific things. So, the page> should allow for selecting a
> "career path" without having to wait for> the slides to animate through or
> clicking through all slides which is> cumbersome.> > + Why is the header
> LibreOffice logo grey? (That is actually not a> colour sanctioned in the
> brand guide, white is allowed)> > + The text baseline between the top logo
> and the top menu items seems> a little off (on Windows) maybe you could
> correct that.> > + The font on the Download Now button on the homepage is
> wrong (should> probably be Lato, but is Arial). Also, worse, it still lies
> and only> links to the download page. See Mozilla.org for how it should be
> (they> test(ed) this workflow _very_ meticulously, even down to comparing
> the> effectiveness of different colours): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/>
> (button links right to download, button has all the most important>
> information)> > Best regards,> > Astron.> -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder,
> The Document Foundation,Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 BerlinGemeinnützige
> rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details:
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Charles-H. Schulz wrote
> Er... Thanks folks for your input. As the website will be rolled outnext
> week, and that we requested this kind of feedback since, well,3 months for
> some elements in 3 weeks for the "final" results, I suggestyou, the design
> team, work on a later version of the website later thisyear and
> incorporate the elements that have been listed below. We would have hoped
> for your input much earlier in the process, nowit's a bit too late for
> that.Thanks,Charles.Le Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:49 +0100,Stefan Knorr <

> heinzlesspam@

> > a écrit :> Hi all,> > so, first, I really like the new page,
> especially the fact that it is> now responsive and looks much more modern.
> Lato is a nice font, too.> And it finally feels a bit more personal than
> the current page which> presents pretty models as our community.> > > just
> to voice a few things of my own...> > On 25 January 2014 12:20, bitigçi
> <

> bitigchi@

> > wrote:> > I wonder why the current shade of green which is already
> hosted on> > the splash screen and wiki page? This one is too much dark
> and> > without proper border gradients it looks like it's from 90s.
> Again,> > this is needed for compatibility in all LO web and software> >
> platforms. Seriously, why the need for a change? Splash screen> > green
> shade is very easy on the eyes, and it is good looking. But> > this one
> with white text is not the perfect choice.> > Right. The problem is that
> the splash screen green was not part of our> palette before 4.0. And
> compared to the rest of the palette, it does> look that way, too.> On the
> other hand, I also understand your criticism -- the green is> indeed
> pretty harsh. For me, it still works, though. (However, putting> that
> green in the splash screen again though will not allow for being> subtle.
> And yes, since our branding story should be aligned from> product to
> website at some point, we would have to think about this.> That said, if
> we're using that dark green, it would be much better to> use it for text &
> logo instead of the background.)> > Anyway... One thing that does not work
> is using small black text on> dark green. It doesn't contrast well at all.
> Also, it reminds me of> this:>
> http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/mig/6/2/6/1/2236261-XboxOne1_20201_screen.jpg>
> ;) Wonder why they went with that -- It's actually much worse on a>
> real-life poster.> > > Also white text on white background is a no-no,
> it's literally an> > eye-killer.> > I guess you should explain where on
> the page that was -- I couldn't> find it.> > > > Menus on top should be
> opened automatically on mouse hover, it's the> > standard gesture in all
> websites.> > +1. Also, hovering works with CSS only, for clickable menus
> you need> JS. This means that currently, when disabling JS in the browser,
> the> menu is needlessly broken. (It won't matter for the mobile page, as>
> you can't disable JS in mobile browsers anyway.)> > > > Also as different
> people already stated above, this website needs> > nice screenshots with
> feature explanations, no one cares about what> > kind of sacred mission
> LibreOffice has, people need a software that> > works.> > Yep. Marketing
> to the 10 % (or less) of people that care about the> whole open-source &
> community aspect is very important, but marketing> to the other 90 %
> shouldn't be completely left aside..> > On a similar note: the footer
> communicates to me that this community> is just overkilling it socially.
> Nobody cares, and nobody actually> wants two Twitter feeds to load at the
> bottom of every page (consider> page load times etc.).> Same with the
> "follow us" thing -- two Twitter links, fine. Five? Why?> Also, the
> presence of this bar could be reduced a little (smaller> headline on the
> same line as the icons maybe?).> > A few other things:> + Some mentioned
> the Get Involved page and the carousel there: I> personally don't think
> this makes any sense. There is a limited number> (they are not changing
> every week) of items and people are probably> only interested in one or
> two very specific things. So, the page> should allow for selecting a
> "career path" without having to wait for> the slides to animate through or
> clicking through all slides which is> cumbersome.> > + Why is the header
> LibreOffice logo grey? (That is actually not a> colour sanctioned in the
> brand guide, white is allowed)> > + The text baseline between the top logo
> and the top menu items seems> a little off (on Windows) maybe you could
> correct that.> > + The font on the Download Now button on the homepage is
> wrong (should> probably be Lato, but is Arial). Also, worse, it still lies
> and only> links to the download page. See Mozilla.org for how it should be
> (they> test(ed) this workflow _very_ meticulously, even down to comparing
> the> effectiveness of different colours): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/>
> (button links right to download, button has all the most important>
> information)> > Best regards,> > Astron.> -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder,
> The Document Foundation,Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 BerlinGemeinnützige
> rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details:
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprintMobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54
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Charles-H. Schulz wrote
> Er... Thanks folks for your input. As the website will be rolled outnext
> week, and that we requested this kind of feedback since, well,3 months for
> some elements in 3 weeks for the "final" results, I suggestyou, the design
> team, work on a later version of the website later thisyear and
> incorporate the elements that have been listed below. We would have hoped
> for your input much earlier in the process, nowit's a bit too late for
> that.Thanks,Charles.Le Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:49 +0100,Stefan Knorr <

> heinzlesspam@

> > a écrit :> Hi all,> > so, first, I really like the new page,
> especially the fact that it is> now responsive and looks much more modern.
> Lato is a nice font, too.> And it finally feels a bit more personal than
> the current page which> presents pretty models as our community.> > > just
> to voice a few things of my own...> > On 25 January 2014 12:20, bitigçi
> <

> bitigchi@

> > wrote:> > I wonder why the current shade of green which is already
> hosted on> > the splash screen and wiki page? This one is too much dark
> and> > without proper border gradients it looks like it's from 90s.
> Again,> > this is needed for compatibility in all LO web and software> >
> platforms. Seriously, why the need for a change? Splash screen> > green
> shade is very easy on the eyes, and it is good looking. But> > this one
> with white text is not the perfect choice.> > Right. The problem is that
> the splash screen green was not part of our> palette before 4.0. And
> compared to the rest of the palette, it does> look that way, too.> On the
> other hand, I also understand your criticism -- the green is> indeed
> pretty harsh. For me, it still works, though. (However, putting> that
> green in the splash screen again though will not allow for being> subtle.
> And yes, since our branding story should be aligned from> product to
> website at some point, we would have to think about this.> That said, if
> we're using that dark green, it would be much better to> use it for text &
> logo instead of the background.)> > Anyway... One thing that does not work
> is using small black text on> dark green. It doesn't contrast well at all.
> Also, it reminds me of> this:>
> http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/mig/6/2/6/1/2236261-XboxOne1_20201_screen.jpg>
> ;) Wonder why they went with that -- It's actually much worse on a>
> real-life poster.> > > Also white text on white background is a no-no,
> it's literally an> > eye-killer.> > I guess you should explain where on
> the page that was -- I couldn't> find it.> > > > Menus on top should be
> opened automatically on mouse hover, it's the> > standard gesture in all
> websites.> > +1. Also, hovering works with CSS only, for clickable menus
> you need> JS. This means that currently, when disabling JS in the browser,
> the> menu is needlessly broken. (It won't matter for the mobile page, as>
> you can't disable JS in mobile browsers anyway.)> > > > Also as different
> people already stated above, this website needs> > nice screenshots with
> feature explanations, no one cares about what> > kind of sacred mission
> LibreOffice has, people need a software that> > works.> > Yep. Marketing
> to the 10 % (or less) of people that care about the> whole open-source &
> community aspect is very important, but marketing> to the other 90 %
> shouldn't be completely left aside..> > On a similar note: the footer
> communicates to me that this community> is just overkilling it socially.
> Nobody cares, and nobody actually> wants two Twitter feeds to load at the
> bottom of every page (consider> page load times etc.).> Same with the
> "follow us" thing -- two Twitter links, fine. Five? Why?> Also, the
> presence of this bar could be reduced a little (smaller> headline on the
> same line as the icons maybe?).> > A few other things:> + Some mentioned
> the Get Involved page and the carousel there: I> personally don't think
> this makes any sense. There is a limited number> (they are not changing
> every week) of items and people are probably> only interested in one or
> two very specific things. So, the page> should allow for selecting a
> "career path" without having to wait for> the slides to animate through or
> clicking through all slides which is> cumbersome.> > + Why is the header
> LibreOffice logo grey? (That is actually not a> colour sanctioned in the
> brand guide, white is allowed)> > + The text baseline between the top logo
> and the top menu items seems> a little off (on Windows) maybe you could
> correct that.> > + The font on the Download Now button on the homepage is
> wrong (should> probably be Lato, but is Arial). Also, worse, it still lies
> and only> links to the download page. See Mozilla.org for how it should be
> (they> test(ed) this workflow _very_ meticulously, even down to comparing
> the> effectiveness of different colours): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/>
> (button links right to download, button has all the most important>
> information)> > Best regards,> > Astron.> -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder,
> The Document Foundation,Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 BerlinGemeinnützige
> rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details:
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