Re: [libreoffice-design] Writer background image - contest! :-)

2012/4/19 Jan Holesovsky <kendy@suse.cz>

> Hi Mirek,
>
> On 2012-04-19 at 14:17 +0200, Mirek M. wrote:
>
> > So I propose this instead: let's work on finding the right colors and/or
> > gradients for the LibreOffice chrome, and let's also use a custom theme
> on
> > Windows Vista/7, as the native theme looks awful (bad enough that not
> even
> > Microsoft's own applications use it).
>
> I appreciate what you are saying, but please note that even the most
> trivial custom chrome needs some serious programming work, in addition
> to the designing work.  Would be great if somebody took the time, and
> hacked all those Windows-95-like scrollbars, buttons, etc. that you can
> see when you run without the Windows theming.  But that is some serious
> hacking work, not to mention the design work you would have to provide.

Would it not be even possible to change the design without changing
dimensions/shapes?
How about having a custom skin for Windows, one different from the default
one?

> I'd love to see that happen - but I unfortunately cannot spend my time
> on that :-(  If you know of an interested hacker, I'll handhold him
> through the oddities of the vcl code to make that happen; but I haven't
> managed to find anybody as of now - and I tried (via blog posts and GSoC
> proposals).
>
> >  That includes the background behind
> > documents, the background of the status bar, the look of separators, the
> > look of the toolbars and the menu bar (Windows-only).
> >
> > What do you think? Should I start a whiteboard for this?
>
> Let's start simple - please propose what _easy_ changes can we do to
> achieve better look.  Easy changes include:
>
> - background for the Writer window (be it a solid color, or a picture)

Made a whiteboard for this [1].

> - differently laid out toolbars (removal or addition of things there)

Tweaked my own whiteboard for this [2]. (My proposal may not make much
sense on it now, I'll change it soon.)

Could you look at my overflow menu idea [3] (as seen on Google+ [4])? I
believe it would allow us to streamline the UI without frustrating power
users. How hard would it be to develop?

> - hiding / showing things by default (like, hide the ruler, status bar,
>  some toolbar, etc.)

You already know about the status bar revamp whiteboard [5].
It'd be acceptable to hide the ruler by default -- it's very easy to get
back.

> This could actually lead to results - when people see what's going on,
> more can join, and we'll be able to do more radical changes.
>
> But please - let's start small, and without too much overhead :-)  How
> does that sound?
>
> Thank you,
> Kendy
>
>
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[1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Document_background
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Toolbar_layout
[3]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Better_command_access#Proposal_by_Mirek2
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zxbs5uqEjc0
[5] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Status_bar

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