Re: [libreoffice-design] Updated Whiteboard template with more instructional text

Hi Mirek,

> I'd prefer to keep the current summary, basically because it's a good
> example of what a whiteboard summary should look like -- a single sentence
> that precisely summarizes the purpose of the whiteboard.

Well, besides teaching me a new word ("pithy") (thanks!), I am not
completely convinced here. One sentence will not be enough in most
cases as there are often multiple problems with the current
implementation and "remedy usability problems in toolbar/dialog XY" is
not especially helpful as a summary, because it could be applied to
virtually any whiteboard.


> "What is a
> whiteboard?" is answered in the "Definition of terms" section.

Sure it is, but when you are a newcomer, you don't look for
Terminology first. You look at the summary. As soon as you've
understood the Whiteboard structure, of course you know there's a
Terminology section and you can look for it.


> The warning to "not use whiteboards for discussion" isn't really of use for
> whiteboard creators, but rather for people who want to discuss the
> whiteboard. I think the sole link under "Discussion" makes it clear enough
> for all whiteboard visitors that all discussions take place on that link.

Disagree again, if you're a newcomer ... (same reasoning).

> BTW, even people that are not subscribed to the list can post, so there's
> no need to use the "Talk" page on the wiki.

Absolutely correct, will change.


> * the listed States do now use primarily nouns
> ok

Cool.


> I like the stronger colors, but I'd prefer to have a red "Out of Scope"
> header. As LibreOffice doesn't have a red color among its marketing colors
> (oddly enough), could you make up one? Orange just doesn't have the same
> "DON'T do this" warning effect.

I know. Orange is really odd and the lack of red is an oversight in
our palette. I'll see what I can do (but I have no idea how that
palette was created).

Sometimes I wonder if we hadn't better embraced the Tango colours
wholesale. That'd have avoided some of the obstacles with branding v/
theme etc. Obviously, it would have also created new problems, namely
icons seeming less attractive on Windows systems.


> > * there is now a sub-head called Owner
> I disagree with whiteboards having an owner.

So, for one: two or more owners = no problem.
For the other: we should have some clear responsibilities, I think. As
for whether we call that position owner or maintainer ... idk, but I
found owner to be clearer (but am open to change that).
Anyway, I thought, we'd agreed upon having maintainers, no?


> and
> that links to bugs, relevant art, and proposals can be added by anyone in
> the community.

Sure, I'll change that part of the instructions.


> It also means that nobody has a superior vote to the rest,
> which makes the design process more democratic.

IMHO, we probably don't want to be the democratic enclave in the
meritocratic community. There are a few reasons why this is a
meritocracy, the most important being that people that aren't supposed
to influence your process (of course we still _need_ to remain open to
people that are currently not part of the community).


> I think the content of these is self-explanatory if you present examples of
> this content. Again, I'd prefer to keep the whiteboard template looking
> like a whiteboard. (The "Tentative Design" section hasn't been designed
> yet, that's why it uses descriptive text.)

So...
* Terminology – it's an extra definition, I think it doesn't hurt.
* Bugs – can be a hard-to-understand term for less technical people.
* Personas – this definitely needs an explanation (we've had a few
design team members who didn't know what to make of it at first).
* Relevant Art – we might get away without the text, I guess.

Regards,
Astron.

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