Re: [libreoffice-design] Page numbers on background

Hi Astron,

2011/6/23 Astron <heinzlesspam@googlemail.com>

> Hi Phil, RGB, Mirek (I'll just post in this thread that Phil forked
> instead of the original one), hi everyone else, too (there's a little
> survey a -- please answer :) )
>
> Okay, first:
> > Incidentally, if the user displays facing pages, the page numbers will
> > need to be positioned correctly either side of the spread.
>
> That's correct. So many things one sometimes simply overlooks with UIs. I
> agree.

+1

> Next:
> > Agree it's a good proposal to show the page number. However, if the
> > user has zoomed in or resized their window and can't see the number
> > any more, then you end up needing the page number elsewhere on the
> > screen as well, and if they can't see all of the page on the screen
> > they probably don't want to lose more space to toolbars/statusbars.
>
> It should still be displayed in the tooltip when moving the
> scrollbars. But in my view it could be removed from the status bar (I
> never found the page display useful because it's always small and out
> of one's view).
>
> > I would suggest that the page number floated beside the top left/right
> > corner of the *visible* page. Then when you are looking at the bottom
> > of page 2 and the top of page 3, you'd see the 2 at the top and the 3
> > beside the corner of page 3.
>
> That would make the number even more useful, but would make it also
> feel less "physical" (if that is a category that even applies to a
> number that is diplayed /beside/ a document). It might also get in the
> way, because then it wouldn't always be at the top of the page – but
> that's probably something minor as long as the number really stays put
> until a new number comes in. So yes, that's a good idea.
>
> > It could even float on the page with a
> > very light colour when the user can't see the document window
> > background.
>
> The page number should, in my view, hide when it's in the way. It
> would probably be possible to put the number as a watermark in the
> background of pages, but I don't like the idea too much, because it
> would confuse users unnecessarily.

I agree.


> When users zoom in, the number should simply be cut off at the edges
> and scrollbars shouldn't allow to scroll in the area cut off. Before
> trying to argue for this, maybe a little survey could help:
>
> THE SURVEY:
> 1. What's your screen size and resolution (most of the time)?
 1024 x 576

> 2. What paper format do you use?
A4

> 3. Do you work in full-screen?
Maximized window, yes. (Not true full-screen.)

> 4. Do you use any multi-page mode (for instance two pages in one screen?)
Very rarely.

> > Further development could be to add contextual actions if the user
> > selects the page number - go to page N, insert page, etc.
>
> That's really clever, but to reconcile it with my view of how the page
> numbers should behave, the number would have to slide in again, for
> instance, once you throw your mouse towards the edge of the screen.
> This would make the bug far harder to implement and would probably
> mean the idea would stay in the mailing list forever. So, let's
> postpone this discussion.
>
>
> @RGB ES/Mirek:
> > Which page number? The "physical" page number, the "printed" page number,
> both?
> > At least on Writer it is quite common that page 1 is the "physical"
> > page 7, for example.
> > I vote for "both" ;)
>
> I'm there with Mirek voting for only physical page number. It's seems
> more useful for e.g. finding out on which page you are or finding a
> print range. As Mirek said, the printed page number is also displayed
> on the doument itself. Nevertheless there are a few other solutions
> here:
> * make it configurable (which would be lowest common denominator, but
> given that LibO already has so many knobs, buttons and screws this
> seems a bad solution

I agree -- fit for an "Advanced settings" extension, though, if it's ever
created.

* present both, but only if they _differ_, with the "printed" value
> smaller and below the "physical" value.

I like this idea.

> Astron
>
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