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Hi Jared, all,

I'll try to structure this mail a bit better, so people don't have to read the entire thread
in order to learn to know who wants and proposes what...

[... and I remove one or another part ...]

Jared wrote:
[...]
Christoph Noack wrote:

[...]  
Am Samstag, den 12.03.2011, 10:29 +0100 schrieb Cesare Leonardi:
On 12/03/2011 00:16, Shawn Thompson wrote:
On the topic of this, I had actually proposed an entire redesign of the
installer system in a much earlier post, but in discussions on IRC I was
informed that making alternate UI's for Windows Installer systems is a
pretty difficult task.

I've serarched your post since i wasn't subscribed in January.
For the reference here is the interesting Shawn's post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00461.html

Oh, yes, some post I've missed to reply to ... sorry! But replies from
my side don't help to gain developers, I assume ;-)

[..]
Windows indeed needs some love.  ;-)

True, and I think it would help both developers and "us" to better
understand what's going on and what can be improved (easily). The
"temporary folder issue" is a great example ... and there might be more.
Not only on Windows, but also on other platforms. To be honest, I don't
even know how a full installation looks like on the Mac ...

Please see the link to our homepage below ;-)

Since I think that the initial contact (installation plus first start)
is a very important thing for users - because it needs to be as hazzle
free as possible.

+1 

So, how about to look at the full installation process
(download to first start of LibO)? Would it be possible that you start a
wiki page and put in some information (screenshots, steps required,
weird experiences)? I think that would help a lot to request help and to
get an idea what "sucks".

Some time ago, the OpenOffice.org UX team did something similar, but I
don't know the current differences to LibO ... here are the pages:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Projects/Setup_Process

short like the description on our homepage

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Projects/Start-up_process

much more details and reasons / questions about the process: We should start 
with theses questions and try to handle them.

[...]

Concerning the entries in the Quickstarter - this is a bigger topic,
since the inconsistency is also visible in the options, the menu bar,
the Start Center, the ... To me, it leads to the major questions if the
old decision to "separate OOo and highlight individual applications" is
still valid. 

We need to discuss this topic thoroughly - including marketing experts 
(comparability to MS Office, integrated approach as marketing strategy etc).

This is already part of my "important questions to be
resolved for the work by the Design Team" questions list.  [...]

Great - so it will not be forgotten :-)


Cheers,
Christoph

Where would you like to see a wiki page created exactly?

I can at least post some screenshots of Windows and MacOS.

under: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install_Process-Windows ??
under: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Install_and_Setup-Windows ??

As this discussion relates to creating an improvement to the present 
state your description and screenshots would not be the main part of the 
wiki page, but only a starting point. 

And please have a look at the homepage: 

We already have screenshots of the present installing process:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/windows/
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/mac/

Working on an improvement should be done on a design page, so 
/Design/Install_and_Setup should be more appropriate. 

I don't know at the moment, if the website team agreed upon using categories
only for the wiki structure (like wikipedia), in this case we could skip /Design too
and categorize the page with [[Category:Design]].

Best regards

Bernhard




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