[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Installer changes for Windows users

Hi Jared, all,

I'll try to structure this mail a bit better, so people don't have to read the entire thread
in order to learn to know who wants and proposes what...

[... and I remove one or another part ...]

Jared wrote:
> [...]
Christoph Noack wrote:
> > [...]  
> > Am Samstag, den 12.03.2011, 10:29 +0100 schrieb Cesare Leonardi:
> > > On 12/03/2011 00:16, Shawn Thompson wrote:
> > > > On the topic of this, I had actually proposed an entire redesign of the
> > > > installer system in a much earlier post, but in discussions on IRC I was
> > > > informed that making alternate UI's for Windows Installer systems is a
> > > > pretty difficult task.
> > >
> > > I've serarched your post since i wasn't subscribed in January.
> > > For the reference here is the interesting Shawn's post:
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00461.html
> >
> > Oh, yes, some post I've missed to reply to ... sorry! But replies from
> > my side don't help to gain developers, I assume ;-)
> >
> > > [..]
> > > Windows indeed needs some love.  ;-)
> >
> > True, and I think it would help both developers and "us" to better
> > understand what's going on and what can be improved (easily). The
> > "temporary folder issue" is a great example ... and there might be more.
> > Not only on Windows, but also on other platforms. To be honest, I don't
> > even know how a full installation looks like on the Mac ...

Please see the link to our homepage below ;-)
> > Since I think that the initial contact (installation plus first start)
> > is a very important thing for users - because it needs to be as hazzle
> > free as possible.

+1 

> > So, how about to look at the full installation process
> > (download to first start of LibO)? Would it be possible that you start a
> > wiki page and put in some information (screenshots, steps required,
> > weird experiences)? I think that would help a lot to request help and to
> > get an idea what "sucks".
> >
> > Some time ago, the OpenOffice.org UX team did something similar, but I
> > don't know the current differences to LibO ... here are the pages:
> >
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Projects/Setup_Process

short like the description on our homepage

> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Projects/Start-up_process

much more details and reasons / questions about the process: We should start 
with theses questions and try to handle them.
> > [...]
> >
> > Concerning the entries in the Quickstarter - this is a bigger topic,
> > since the inconsistency is also visible in the options, the menu bar,
> > the Start Center, the ... To me, it leads to the major questions if the
> > old decision to "separate OOo and highlight individual applications" is
> > still valid. 

We need to discuss this topic thoroughly - including marketing experts 
(comparability to MS Office, integrated approach as marketing strategy etc).

> > This is already part of my "important questions to be
> > resolved for the work by the Design Team" questions list.  [...]

Great - so it will not be forgotten :-)

> > Cheers,
> > Christoph

> Where would you like to see a wiki page created exactly?
>
> I can at least post some screenshots of Windows and MacOS.
>
> under: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install_Process-Windows ??
> under: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Install_and_Setup-Windows ??
As this discussion relates to creating an improvement to the present 
state your description and screenshots would not be the main part of the 
wiki page, but only a starting point. 

And please have a look at the homepage: 

We already have screenshots of the present installing process:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/windows/
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/mac/

Working on an improvement should be done on a design page, so 
/Design/Install_and_Setup should be more appropriate. 

I don't know at the moment, if the website team agreed upon using categories
only for the wiki structure (like wikipedia), in this case we could skip /Design too
and categorize the page with [[Category:Design]].

Best regards

Bernhard




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