Re: [libreoffice-design] Shaken, not Stirred (Topics)

Hi Paulo,

sooo ... :-)

Am Samstag, den 29.01.2011, 12:30 -0200 schrieb Paulo José:
> Hi Christoph!
>
> Really good to see you survived to the mountain of email of the last 
> days! :D I thought that I myself could not. :P

Well, concerning that, it is like many mountains that have been climbed
since even before TDF went public ;-)


> On 29-01-2011 08:41, Christoph Noack wrote:
> > @ Paulo:
> > Great work concerning the icons! I'd like to ask you whether it would be
> > okay to blog about the new icons - and if yes, if I may use your icons.
> > But, it would be even better, if you want to blog about it ... access to
> > the planet can be easily arranged, I think. What do you think?

> Thank you! I'm happy you liked the changes in the icons. I was worried 
> about it, since the original icons was almost finished already.
> About I blog it, no problems, but contrariwise I'd very happy to do it! 
> :D But I think someone should help me with the English, because I'm not 
> confident on my writing yet. For this reason, it may be better that you 
> post. Anyway, thank you so much for the invite, I'm very glad! :D

Oh, you English is just great, really! Personally, I'm also not "a
foreign languages person", but it seems sufficient to survive here. At
least, my skills improved over the years being with the community ...
and if everybody would be perfect, who would believe that this is an
international community? ;-)

However, I felt free to write a blog posting which will be soon
available on the TDF Planet. Until then, here is the direct link:
http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/01/not-even-included-but-already-improved.html


> > Concerning the wizard, I'm a bit unsure - I think I didn't get the idea
> > when the wizard will be useful. So if you would like to have some early
> > feedback, then please let us know.
> Yeah, at the first moment the idea didn't came to me like a good thing 
> too, but now I really see its point. When the idea is polished, I can to 
> do a little user test with my university friends to know the first 
> impressions. No valid from the scientific POV, of course, but enough to 
> drive these first steps of design. Together with community opinions 
> here, for sure.

Cool! Now, we really need Björn and you talking to the community via the
blog ... there is still a lot of marketing that is required to finally
prove "UX and Usability" to be an important part of the LibreOffice
development :-)

Björn, Paulo, do you both have a blog?

> But when you compares the wizard approach with the tabbed one, it's 
> clear the first one do focus in user and its "insert/edit a field" task, 
> while the second one do focus in developer and his point of view: "there 
> are many types of field and you need pick up the correct one". I'm not a 
> professional, but this is my thinking. What do you think?

Without that much in-depth knowledge, I totally agree to your analysis.
Maybe adding one minor additional thought - on the one hand, there are
pretty common and rather simple tasks (inserting page numbers, inserting
chapter names, referring to picture titles), and the more difficult ones
(referring to database stuff). Concerning the latter, there may be
people who are happy to simply enter field stuff - because it's
efficient.

The current advantage: all tasks are handled via the same interface /
workflow. So if you know how to do, it is efficient to apply the
available knowledge for a variety of field types. The problem the wizard
tries to address (in my understanding), is to address less experienced
people who want to work with more difficult field types. Here, the
correct result is more important than the number of steps.

So, if we change the behavior, we should also make sure that power users
feel at home as well. Here, some people in the German community might
help ...

Cheers,
Christoph


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