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Hi Greg!

Before anything else, welcome from me, a recent members too! :)

I like your approach and share your ideas. I actually think that at future, applications in general will be more integrate and unified like that. But personally I'd fell a bit uncomfortable if I'd have to do everything in a unique application. Sometimes is good have a different context to help when the workflow is changed.

But as Bernhard well pointed, it's possible work in other applications inside one of them using OLE bjects. But I must to say the current implementation of this feature, his behavior, looks like a Frankenstein... :/

Maybe the great solution would be improve the OLE feature until the point its behavior gets closer at most to your proposal, Greg. ;)

Best wishes,

On 27-01-2011 22:44, noh.way.jose wrote:
I'm new to this community, so please forgive me if the topic I'd like to
discuss has already been aired.

To set the scene, first a bit of summarised, probably partisan and probably
only partially accurate context. I point this out because I wouldn't want the
thread to spin off into pedantic historic details and corrections.

Having been around the computer industry for many years now, I have kept
abreast of computing advancements by reading the industry news, developing
products and using them. A pattern of acquisitions, mergers,aggregations, best
practice, standards and plain copying has been going on so relentlessly that I
believe that the fruits of these enterprises no longer adequately meet users
needs as well as can be.

The original modern interface (Xerox Star) didn't differentiate by application
but by  objects familiar to users. The application rot started with the
commercial versions of this approach but really got application centric with
Windows '95. My rough recollection is that MS Office started as a bunch of
acquisitions that map pretty much to the applications we see now, whether MS,
OOO or LO. That is; a word processor, a presentation manager, a spreadsheet
and a database. Leaving the DB out of the argument for the moment, as a non
presentation centric technology, I'd like to propose Libre Office consider a
mid to long term strategy to ditch the artificial boundaries between
applications. Let us return to the idea of supporting users' needs without
filtering them through artificial application capabilities!

Instead of applications, let's have a document, a variety of choices of
rendering the document (print, screen, presentation, web, edit, collaborative
edit,&c.) and tools. The tools can still be categorised, but not as they are
in applications, where the application is a hard boundary. The tools here
could all be used, irrespective of the presentation mechanism. Categorisation
of the tools need only be done as a means to support user tasks, perhaps along
multiple dimensions, using tags. This proposal means only having to develop a
tool once and allowing the concurrent availability of tools that the
artificial applications boundaries would normally exclude. For example, DTP
tools, such as layout grids and text flow, which could be used alongside more
traditional word processing tools in documents, presentations and other

Of course, the toolset and the rendering mechanisms could be extended in a
modular way, making the development time-line much more appropriate to an open
source community, with competition for tool developers to build a better tool.
If the core design team act in an editorial and standards capacity, then the
result can hang together seamlessly. (Apple seems to have cracked this a bit

Enough rambling from me. I'd be really interested to see if there's anyone
else who gets what I'm on about and whether there's enough interest to start
investigating in more detail. If on the other hand you think I've got it all
wrong, I'm happy to defend my views or admit defeat, depending on the

If you read this far, well done :o)



Paulo José O. Amaro
Computer Science Student
Federal University of São João del-Rei
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