Re: [libreoffice-design] Roadmap - More structure, please!

Hi Bernhard, Chirstoph, all,

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Bernhard Dippold
<bernhard@familie-dippold.at> wrote:
> [...]
>
> *Graphics included in the product*
>
> I think Christoph has done a great job in creating the fist version of these
> graphics:

+1.

> - Start center
> - About box
> - Installer graphics for Windows, Linux and Mac
>
> I didn't manage to download and install Beta 3 by now, so I can't say if
> there is anything left to update these graphics and adapt them to the new
> contemporary style.
>
> Reading Christoph's blog and knowing him for some time I think they are all
> up-to-date: ;-)
> http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/11/libreoffice-33-artwork-improvements_18.html

Unfortunately I didn't see any of the new graphics in Beta 3. I know
the progressbar in Christoph's graphic doesn't match the actual
progressbar (of course, that's really easy to fix)... but it makes me
worry that it takes time to get these things into the final version,
which is why I'm unsure about how much room/time there is for further
change in 3.3

> *New Mimetype and Document Icons*
>
> > Oh, there are some more important things ... like the application icons,
> > or the MIME type icons. Some of us might accept the old OOo icons to
> > serve as placeholders, but if anybody comes up with a viable alternative
> > (that continues the design language of the LibO branding and the old
> > icons), it might be possible to ship them (he said that, without having
> > talked to the development or even QA).
>
> I'd love to see new LibO icons (still as placeholders) to avoid people
> thinking we're going back to OOo3.0 not only with visuals but with content
> too.
>
> The number of necessary icons can be seen if you look at the galaxy mimetype
> icon page:
> http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo30MimeType.html

Thanks for this little reminder of just how much there is to do :P

> But these have been the icons for OOo3.0. Since OOo3.2.1 the document icons
> have been replaced by the ODF icons, and if yo u look at this list, I can't
> imagine, that they can be replaced in appropriate time:
> http://odftoolkit.org/projects/operations/sources/repository/show/odficons2?rev=3
>
> For design, I like Ivan's second proposal best:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Mimetype_Icons/Proposals#Second_Draft
>
> They don't introduce any new metaphors, but repeat the existing interim
> design, so they can be replaced together with the other initial branding by
> the community branding.
>
> I don't know how much it takes to adapt them to the latest color scheme and
> to create the icons still missing (different sizes, math, high contrast).
> For document icons we could use the mimetype icons at the moment (perhaps
> with only the border of the upper right corner), templates should look a bit
> differently.
>
> If we could agree on documents using the unchanged mimetype icons, the
> "empty corner" icons could be used for the templates.
>
> Ivan - Do you think such work is manageable?

I wouldn't like to start anything without getting a clear signal from
the devs/QA as to just how much time we have to do this - if there's
not much time, then I'd prefer to avoid rushing. For example, has the
new color pallet been OK'd in terms of accessibility (i.e, will they
meet the needs of colorblind users?).

At the same time, the concept itself is pretty simple, so if we are OK
in terms of timeframe and accessibility, then I have nothing against
putting in some time for this. But we'd need (at least) a small team
to work through this.

> Can you provide the sources (or did you already)?

I could export the shapes, but they're roughly traced - it'd probably
be quicker to recreate it in Inkscape using the logo SVG sources and
it'd be pixel perfect.

> [... promotional materials... I might leave that for a later email]

Regards,
Ivan.

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