Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7

On 2024-02-21 18:58, Jason J.G. White wrote:
> I noticed a few issues that may be Orca or LibreOffice-related - I don't 
> know which is responsible. Orca is undergoing extensive development at 
> the moment, which I'm testing by running the latest code from the main 
> branch.

Thank you for reporting these.

> 1. In LibreOffice Writer, if I issue the F5 command to start the 
> Navigator, focus moves there, but I can't bring focus to the tree of 
> objects to be navigated, either with Tab/Shift-Tab or with cursor keys. 

In my tests (current LibreOffice development version and either current 
Orca development version or the version from Debian testing, which is 
45.2-1), it behaves like this:

1) When the Navigator is undocked, i.e. in a separate window, F5 brings 
focus to it and the focus announcement works as expected.

2) When its docked (e.g. to the left side of the Writer window), F5 
toggles the navigator on/off, but doesn't bring focus to it. In that 
case, F6 can be used until you end up at the navigator, then move around 
there using the tab and arrow keys. At least on the tree, focus 
announcement works. (With orca main, there's an extra "Navigator" 
announcement before the actual tree element that I don't get with the 
version from Debian testing, but it generally works with both.)

> There are unlabelled toggle buttons, but no tree object.

I can reproduce this for many of the UI elements above the tree view in 
the navigator with the gtk3 variant of LibreOffice (which uses native 
Gtk widgets), but not when non-native VCL widgets are used, e.g. when 
using the qt6 variant. In the latter case, the quick help/tooltip text 
is used for the accessible name as well
(code pointer: VCLXAccessibleToolBoxItem::getAccessibleName and 
VCLXAccessibleToolBoxItem::GetText).

Unfortunately, for the case that the navigator is undocked, F6 initially 
ends up on UI elements without an accessible name, making it harder to 
realize that you're in the navigator.
In my case, I get to the navigator when pressing F6 while the focus is 
in Writer's formatting toolbar. Once there, Ctrl+Shift+F10 can be used 
to undock, and get the probably more helpful variant 1) of the undocked 
navigator mentioned above.

Help page mentioning this:
https://help.libreoffice.org/24.2/en-US/text/swriter/guide/resize_navigator.html?&DbPAR=SHARED&System=UNIX

I plan to look into this a bit further as I find time (in particular the 
missing accessible names), but does this help as a workaround for now at 
least?


On 2024-02-21 19:19, Jason J.G. White wrote:
> > 2. Also in Writer, Shift-Pgdn is supposed to move into the footnote 
> > area, but doesn't achieve anything.
> With apologies, that should be Ctrl-Shift-Pgdn, which is listed in the 
> documentation but isn't working for me.

I confirm this is mentioned in the help [1], but doesn't do what is 
described there. For me, Ctrl+Shift+PageDown zooms out of the document 
(and Ctrl+Shift+PageUp zooms in).

However, when I manually assign this shortcut via
"Tools" -> "Customize" -> "Keyboard", this works to jump to the 
footnotes. (I assigned Shift+ Ctrl + PageDown to the "Navigate" -> "Edit 
Footnote/Endnote" function.)
Could you possibly create a bug report in Bugzilla so this can be tracked?
(Somebody more knowledgeable will have to decide whether the current 
behavior is correct and it's a documentation/help bug or whether the 
help is correct and the behavior is wrong.)

[1] For reference, the help page mentioning this:
https://help.libreoffice.org/24.2/en-US/text/swriter/guide/footnote_usage.html?DbPAR=WRITER

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