Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Sluggishness with NVDA and Calc

Hi Michael,

I am navigating using the arrow keys.
Thinking of it i am still using LibreOffice 7.1.5.
So at the moment i am not sure if this bug is still present.

Greetings,
Simon


Am 17.12.2021 um 16:11 schrieb Michael Weghorn:
> Hi Simon,
>
> out of interest: How are you navigating through the sheet? Are you using 
> the arrow keys (left, right, up, down) on a keyboard?
> It would definitely be interesting to hear whether the issue is still 
> present once the problem mentioned by Richard has been fixed.
>
> Kind regards,
> Michael
>
> On 17/12/2021 15.31, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I also have something to that issue as well.
> > Though i don't know if it is the same sluggishness.
> > i have the feeling it has something to do with loosing focus or having 
> > tracking issues.
> > When navigating very quickly through the sheet NVDA can't track the 
> > cursor in the sheet window and on the braille display you just see the 
> > word Cell.
> > Speech stops after that.
> > You can see that the cursor still moves because when you alt+tab out 
> > of the window and back in again you are on the cell where you wanted 
> > to be.
> > The problem is then when navigating to the next cell you have the same 
> > tracking/focus issues again.
> > The problem is a pretty old one i guess.
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > Am 17.12.2021 um 15:05 schrieb Michael Weghorn:
> > > Hi Richard,
> > >
> > > I can reproduce the behavior you describe, though the lag is only 
> > > about 4-5 seconds in my case.
> > >
> > > I'd suggest to create 2 bug reports in Bugzilla to keep track of this:
> > >
> > > * one bug report for the slowness (the first two aspects you mention)
> > > * one bug report for the full "accessibility hierarchy of the cell" 
> > > being announced
> > >
> > > More technically: I've taken a first look at the first one. It seems 
> > > that a significant amount of time is spent on retrieving/generating 
> > > an accessible description of involved accessibility objects.
> > >
> > > For the second issue: To my understanding, screen readers usually 
> > > only announce the "hierarchy" of a focused object up to the point 
> > > from which it's different from the previously focused object. One 
> > > potential explanation for the current behavior could be that for some 
> > > reason it's not exposed to NVDA that the previously selected cell is 
> > > a "sibling" of the one selected afterwards, or somehow focus is on 
> > > another accessibility object in between.
> > >
> > > Both issues require a closer analysis from a development perspective, 
> > > so unfortunately I currently have no idea what you could do from a 
> > > user perspective to avoid this.
> > >
> > > Both issues don't occur when just navigating through the spreadsheet 
> > > using the arrow keys (i.e. without making any changes) or when using 
> > > the Orca screen reader with the gtk3 VCL plugin on Linux.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > On 16/12/2021 18.49, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am using Windows 10, LibraOffice 7.2.4 and NVDA 2021.3.  with 
> > > > Calc, there
> > > > is a great amount of sluggishness, as outlined below:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - With a spreadsheet open, each time I enter a number into a cell, 
> > > > there is
> > > > like a 15 second delay before NVDA responds with the number entered.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - When using the enter or arrow keys after entering a number into a 
> > > > cell to
> > > > move to a new cell, it takes like 15 seconds before NVDA responds.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Generally, after performing any of the two above actions, the full 
> > > > file
> > > > path and file name is spoken.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I do not have any special settings in either NVDA or LO.  When using 
> > > > JAWS
> > > > and Excel, I experience none of this sluggishness.  What is causing 
> > > > this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Richard

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