Re: [libreoffice-website] Minutes from the Tue Sep 17 infra call

On 2019-09-18 21:56, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> On 9/18/19 8:03 PM, Guilhem Moulin wrote:
>
> >    + XMPP is also provided by JPBerlin for members; a quote from Sophie's
> >      mails to the members ml:
> >        . a Jabber/XMPP address for instant messaging
> >        . a SIP/VoIP account for voice conferencing
>
> Sorry, but they never worked for normal users like me. You have to
> configure them to work with clients as the standard configuration does
> not work, but whatever you do the client is unable to connect. Please do
> consider people with limited tech capabilities.

I agree: XMPP and IRC are not well-designed from a user perspective. IRC 
requires an enormous amount of hackery to bring desired features such as 
media, multi-line, or offline messaging support. My vote is not to even 
consider going down that rabbit hole: We need users to *want* to use the 
ecosystem.

XMPP by itself is also featureless with regards to modern expectations 
such as message synchronization between devices. Server/client support 
for these features varies wildly. This is where Matrix shines: All of 
these modern features are built-in to the spec.

Conversations [1] is a spectacularly designed and very usable XMPP 
client for Android. Dino [2] is pretty good for the desktop, but 
it's still got some kinks and commits aren't terribly frequent. iOS has 
no good XMPP client.

> >    + guilhem: would just like to agree on something that's not telegram.
> >      Brett: would just need to be as usable as telegram then
>
> AFAIK, Mattermost just works on desktop and mobile, even for people like
> me with limited tech capabilities. Riot is way more complex, and IRC for
> me is out of discussion (exactly as Telegram for Guilhem) for technical
> reasons.

Last time I tried Mattermost (admittedly back in 2015) it worked well 
enough on desktop, but mobile was not good. While the Mattermost Android 
application seems to be doing alright (4 stars average)[3], the iOS 
version looks to be a travesty (2.7 stars) [4]

Riot gets a 4.2 for Android [5] and 4.0 for iOS [6]. There also exists a 
simplified Android client called Pattle [7] that has a familiar 
interface for Telegram users.

Matrix does suffer from the same branding fragmentation that might scare 
away some users ("Why am I installing something called Riot? I thought I 
was using Matrix").

Matrix has support for LDAP, so users could just log in with their TDF 
account. The unfortunate part is that they'd have to manually type in 
the server into the custom field as it defaults to matrix.org.

Mozilla is trialling a replacement for IRC as well [8]. That might be 
worth keeping an eye on.

[1] https://conversations.im/
[2] https://dino.im/
[3] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mattermost.rn
[4] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mattermost/id1257222717
[5] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vector.app
[6] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/riot-im/id1083446067
[7] https://git.pattle.im/pattle/app
[8] http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/09/06/forward-motion/

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