Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Website Redesign - Beta

Hello Marc,

Le Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:22:33 -0500,
Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com> a écrit :

> Hi Charles,
>
> Le 2014-01-21 04:15, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I'd like to present you with a beta of the upcoming website -some
> > already saw it, this time, the homepage has been edited, images
> > selected, etc. We miss some  integration of text, rss feeds and
> > twitter widgets. The Discover section also received images, and the
> > community section is under heavy work. We are integrating the
> > Download, Donate pages and we need to work on the Events Page as
> > well.
> >
> > http://newdesign.libreoffice.org
> >
> > Feedback -other than details that were already specified in the
> > specs- welcome!
> >
> > Best,
>
> Congrats to all involved and especially to Eleonora! Looks good! Nice!
>
> Some of my comments:
>
> * Love the menu arrangements
>
> * I would double the "Templates and Extensions" from the "DISCOVER"
> menu and place it in the "Download" sub-menu as some users visiting
> the site will automatically seek it out there. 

Yes, that's somewhere in our specs actually. 

> There is no need to
> make them search for these on the other menus. I would put it under
> "Development Versions"
> ** note that "Development versions" should be "Development Versions"
>
> * IMO, the "Get Help" section should follow some kind of rational 
> thought something like the user should exhaust all avenues of
> self-help before going on to any other type of help. So, IMO, the
> "Get Help" should then follow the following rationale for the
> sub-menu lines:
>
> GET HELP
> * System Requirements
> * Installation Instructions
> * Documentation
> * Nabble Forums <-- I would include the word "Forums"
> * Community Support
> * Professional Support
> * Accessibility
> * Feedback
> * Bug Submission Assistant

hmm... I think I get your idea but at the same time, I wonder whether
the order you're setting is that rational - meaning: I could claim, and
not just for the sake of argument, that System Requirements are not
going to be the source of the majority of issues; that Nabble Forums
(good point about the Forums) are not necessarily the most used tool
for our mailing list, and that the community support is a good pointer
to, well pretty much anything else. Otherwise I'm happy to do it, it's
not difficult at all. 


> * IMO "COMMUNITY" section, I would re-organize it to reflect our 
> communities, but in alphabetical order so as not to show any
> preference order, Then it becomes obvious to our visitor that we are
> all inclusive and not focused on one particular group. We could still
> focus on one group internally, but just not make it obvious on our
> website. The last 3 menu items would be the pads, OwnCloud, Wiki but
> also in alphabetical order.
>
> So, IMO, the re-organization of sub-menu items would look like this:
>
> COMMUNITY
> * Docs Team
> * Get Involved
> * Developers
> * Design
> * Infrastructure
> * Localization
> * Marketing
> * Native-Lang Projects
> * Testing - QA
> --spacer --
> Pads
> OwnCloud
> Wiki
> *

Good point, except for the Get Involved page which is the starting
point for all the others and therefore must be at the top. 

> * Event -- if I understand from our previous discussion on this, you
> are looking at more of an list with icons of events in date order,

a slider, actually. 

> then a link to our Google Calendar? It is also a shame that the
> "EVENTS" menu takes up its own space on the main menu line. If we
> wanted to conserve space it could very well be placed under
> "COMMUNITY" at the bottom of the menu list. I am not sure that the
> events page will warrant enough clicks to give it such a prominent
> spot, but it fits quite well under "COMMUNITY"*

No, the idea was the put the Events in a prominent place as it works
in both ways: the community and the general public will know where to
find us, visitors will know we're active here and there - but the
volunteers who would like to know about the organization and logistics
would end up going on the wiki and the calendar itself. Hence the wish
to put the Events page in a prominent way. 

> * ABOUT US -- is a strange beast as it seems to speak to the same as 
> "COMMUNITY", but I guess the idea is that this is more of a wholistic 
> view of the TDF.

Yes indeed.

> I wonder if this is really the right site to put 
> "Governance of the TDF" part. But the bottom section "The LibreOffice 
> Project" should be in the "ABOUT US" Perhaps, as a suggeston reverse
> the paragraphs and use "The LibreOffice Project" as the intro
> paragraph to the "The Document Foundation" section. This to me would
> seem more rational seeing as we are on the LibreOffice site and not
> on The Document Foundation site.

Well... it was in the specs for a long time. But part of the problem
which at this stage is not answered by this website nor by anything/
anyone else is what we want to do with www.documentfoundation.org So
duplication may not hurt, although I expect this section to change at
some point. 

> ** note that there should be a capital "P" on "The LibreOffice
> Project". ** note that in that paragraph: "... community as well as
> by the Document Foundation bodies ..." should be "... as by The
> Document Foundation bodies ..."

okay

> ** Certification .. when you click on this item, it leads to the 
> certification page. I would re-title this page to "LibreOffice 
> Certification" just to make it crystal clear that this is what we are 
> reading. Otherwise, it reads as it people are getting TDF
> Certification or are people getting "TDF Certification"?

I'll try to see if it fits...

> * Home page
> ** On my 24inch monitor with 1400x1050, the text and carousel are
> quite large. It would be nice if the final product could get the part
> below the carousel to show on the screen along with the carousel ...
> I guess this would mean reducing the size of the carousel images to
> allow the "Fee Office Suite" "Fun Project" and "Fantastic People" to
> appear on the same screen. This will also allow for less "up and
> down" scrolling by the user.

We're still sorting out these details, FWIW...

> ** I wonder if there could be a way to stop the carousel?  There is
> no way to leave the LibreOffice site on a screen and have it remain
> static. The scrolling speed also seems to be too quick.

Look, I don't know, maybe it's my computer, but on it, it's not at all
fast and we already reduced its speed. We'll figure it out in the next
days.

> Overall, great job at redesign. Like it!

Thanks!

Charles.

> Cheers,
>
> Marc--
> Marc Paré
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