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On 26/02/2013 18:09, Camille Moulin wrote:
Hi Marco,

We all share your concern (at least to some extent). The topic has
already been discussed: please, read the thread in the archives

The remaining Apple screens are also about to be replaced.


Thanks, unfortunately I've subscribed just yesterday in the ML after a long period of frustration for this problem, so can't add my comment there (AFAIK). I ask: why wait for a image replacement and keep sending an hurting message? Just removing the current iMac images and keep only the screen content would be a good choice, THEN and WHEN you will find a "no proprietary software promotion image" that you like, put that ones. I'm not joking, I've stopped all the LiBo promotion due to the embarrassment and the credibility problems that pointing people to that page is causing me ("haha, I've been in libo page, and they use Apple, so what about all you told me about Freedom and Free software? You see, is not a problem, your friends use and value proprietary software a lot!"). Take away the iMac images, keep only the screen content and the black border (or better a different color border) and you will have a page as nice looking as the current one, and focused on LiBo as Free program, not on a "enslaver" firm/philosophy. This will take only some minutes to our good designers and stop immediately the concerns. We are not "selling" a product, we are pushing and sharing a vision for a better, free world, the precision and coherence of our messages and our behavior is FUNDAMENTAL for our credibility. Thanks a lot for the attention, looking forward to resume my involvement in LiBo as soon as the problem is fixed.
Best regards
Marco Menardi

Le 25/02/2013 17:23, Marco Menardi a écrit :
Hi, I'm a Free software activist and a LibreOffice contributor in term
of QA, bug report, "spread the world" since day 1.
I don't speak "non technical" English good enough, so forgive me if I
could sound "harsh" sometime but is due to the limitation of my
vocabulary and grammar.
Like you, I'm aware that our *goal* is not having people to use LiBo
as a cheap alternative of M$Office (and so use our time, effort and
dedication just to save money...), but people that care about their
freedom and so use LiBo as a consequence. Is not an opposition of two
"products", but two way of thinking the future, the freedom, the society.
You also know for sure that one of the most "enslavery" and against
Freedom firm is Apple, that produces devices strictly chained with
their proprietary software. When you see an apple iDevice, you
immediately recognize an ecosystem, a brand, and that "philosophy".
I'm writing here because I was really shocked when I saw the new home
page showing an iMac ( for a quick
comparison). It's not like showing a Dell or an HP monitor that is
"just hardware", showing an iMac is not showing a "neutral" hardware,
but enforcing and share an Apple proprietary vision of the world.
So I'm asking the designer of the site do replace the recognizable
iMac images with generic ones, because I consider promoting Apple
products a big damage to our cause and to the community.
When I explain people about the difference among LibreOffice and
M$Office, I value a lot the freedom part, because is the only
unbeatable point Libo has against it (price is not a big issue, they
have M$Office pre-installed/cracked/took on big discount for
schools/students, etc).
I point out how M$ and Apple need to chain you to their products and
file formats, while LiBo is all the contrary.
But now if I point them to LiBo home all my arguments miserably fall
"see, also LiBo people show Apple products, so they also think is
great and all that crap you told me about freedom is pointless".
If today M$ will produce a very recognizable model of PC, would we use
it on our home as well?
One thing is have a program that runs ALSO on proprietary OS, one is
put "THE proprietary brand" on our home.
LibreOffice is one of the most important Free software project, so has
the moral duty to do the right things.
My favorite example is a site that promotes genuine biological food,
and their web designer found that putting a succulent Cheesburgher
icon on the home is a good idea. I do really thing that all volunteers
that work hard to make the message of "genuine food" spread are hurt.
I think that using a neutral image of a simple device like a monitor
is a little effort for our beloved web designers, but will remove the
hurt to our values and believes.
Thanks a lot for the attention
Marco Menardi

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