[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 95402] TEMPLATE MANAGER: Improve Save as Template workflow

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95402

--- Comment #7 from Octavio Alvarez <alvarezp@alvarezp.ods.org> ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #5)
> > The icon is *the most important change* among all that I suggested becuase,
> > as I said on IRC: it currently sends a wrong visual message.
>
> I'm assuming you mean it sends the wrong visual message without the icon.

Yes. It sends the message of 'choose a template to save over'. It gives no
visual cues whatsoever that saving as a new template is possible at all.

> > Bear me with this thought: It gave me a choice of templates and I had a
> > 'Save' button. I don't want to save it to any of those. By having a choice
> > of templates I expect to click on one of those and then clicking 'Save' to
> > perform my will.
>
> That is quite opposite to the universal workflow of saving anything. When
> you open the Save or Save As dialog, the primary thing is to select a folder
> if neede, which may have existing files in it, and then type a new file name.

I'd like to be more precise: when opening a Save As dialog, the primary thing
is to select a *target file*, not a location. Choosing a location is just a
requirement.

The current screen only gives visual cues for choosing existing files, not a
new one. It doesn't give visual cues of location.

> > I can't predict what the 'Save' button does before clicking it (a priori).
> > It currently turns out that clicking 'Save' actually asks for something.
> > This is completely opposite to the currently existing, universal workflow
> > of saving *anything*.
>
> Yes as there isnt a filename field to type in the template name, a dialog
> appears after clicking the 'Save' button. This isnt that outside of the norm
> that it would confuse users.

I didn't get the last sentence, sorry.

But if I understand correctly, what you say is also correct. As an alternative
to the 'Save as new template' icon, there could be --instead-- a text field for
choosing a new name *before* clicking 'Save'.

> > At least, when a new 'Save as new template' icon is introduced as one of
> > the options, it will visually guide me to click on it because that's what I
> > want to do and then think 'Ok, I selected something, now I must find a
> > button to perform the save'.
>
> I find this quite confusing that if i wanted to save something, i would have
> to preselect an item already in the list of file/template names and then
> click a Save button. Maybe the simplest thing is to do would be to change
> the 'Save' button to 'Save Template Here'.

The simplest thing is to use a simple 'Save As' dialog. That's it.

With the 'Save as new template' icon, yes, you would have to preselect an item
already in the list (but there is now a cue to know what to do to save a new
template).

Renaming the button to 'Save template here' is still confusing if there are no
visual cues. When given a choice of already existing templates and a 'Save
template here', I feel like I *must* choose one of the templates before
clicking the button, which leads to overwriting. The window does not cue that
is giving the choice of location; the icons are the most prominent.

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