[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91588] UI: Drawing toolbar doesn't show Select button by default

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91588

Yousuf (Jay) Philips <philipz85@hotmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|REOPENED                    |NEEDINFO
                 CC|                            |libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
                   |                            |.freedesktop.org
            Summary|UI TOOLBAR DRAW Drawing     |UI: Drawing toolbar doesn't
                   |toolbar doesn't show Select |show Select button by
                   |button by default           |default

--- Comment #5 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips <philipz85@hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to Thomas Krumbein from comment #4)
> so: 
> - select square-tool and create one or two squares 
> - select text-tool and create one or two text entries
> - now you want move one of the squares but text-tool is still activ. you
> cannot deselect it - so with every click inside the document a new textfield
> will be created. This is not a good workflow!

Text tool is not a constantly active control. Once you draw a textbox and type
something in it, you cant automatically draw a second one without pressing the
text tool again. It is always possible to select a square once you've finished
creating a textbox. If i have misunderstood what you have meant, please submit
a screencast, so that its easier to understand.

> If the select tool is visible, it is possible to deselect the text-tool and
> select the square direct. 

If the text tool is active, pressing escape deactivates it. If a user doesnt
know about the escape key, by using any app in LO, they would know that if you
dont type anything in a textbox, the textbox disappears. So if the text tool
was active and i didnt want to use it, clicking once would show a cursor line
in a textbox and clicking a second time would return to select mode.

> All grafic programms has a visible select tool in first place (i.e. adobe
> illustrator, draw, corel draw etc) - so this should even be visible in LO
> draw by default.

Yes you are correct that other graphic apps have the select tool visible, but
LO Draw acts quite different then other graphic apps. In other apps, if you
click on a tool, that tool is always active until you click off of it, but with
LO Draw, once you click a tool and draw, the tool is then deactivated and it
returns to select mode. So if it is always on select mode unless you want to
draw something and then returns to select mode after drawing it, there isnt
much use of a select tool button.

What do other ux-advise members think of this?

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