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--- Comment #17 from Jay Philips <philipz85@hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to Owen Genat from comment #16)
Can you elaborate on this.

This was a general reference to the design plan for toolbars vs sidebar.
Rather than elaborate here, I will do so in the Design forum as that would
seem more appropriate. I have made a start in these two locations:

https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/218
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/217?r=219#message-219

Well as this bug report is discussing toolbar and their buttons, i dont see the
argument in bringing up the sidebar.

One of the primary goals of the single group button is to provide quick
access to being able to add a single shape. 

We are talking different forms of quick access (latency) trade-off here. I
will just summarise here both our points. The advantage of having a single
always-displayed toolbar with group item, is that the initial click is low
latency, but hunting for a specific item remains high(er) latency. By
comparison the current toolbar has high initial latency (getting it
displayed) and then low(er) latency while in use, as more recently used
items are on display at once. Thus for inserting a single shape, the group
button is more advantageous, but for constructing a drawing, a dedicated
toolbar is often more advantageous. We seem to be in agreement about this
and in honesty I do not hold a strong opinion, particular with respect to
this toolbar in Writer, but I wanted to make these points clear.

Yes we do agree on these points. Both have their advantages, so i'd like to
create the one that is presently not available.

I doubt there is a need to dedicate an entire sidebar pane to inserting
drawing objects and this enhancement is focused on toolbar users how wont be
using the sidebar.

I guess this depends, as I indicated above on the ultimate design strategy
with respect to the toolbars and sidebar.

Look forward to hearing this design strategy, as i consider the toolbar-only UI
and toolbar + sidebar UI to be separate modes a user should be able to choose
from.

https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/69?r=118#message-118
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/163

Can you elaborate on this.

I meant that View > Toolbar > Drawing could be amended to expose a new
Drawing deck in the sidebar (as Format > Styles and Formatting now will, as
per bug 73151). Of course this is speculative, and it may be View > Toolbar
Drawing will merely hide/reveal a launched toolbar, should this type of
behaviour be pursued. Again, this is really a discussion better suited to
the Design forum.

If you'd like to propose a drawing deck in the sidebar, i look forward to its
discussion and mockups.

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