[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

--- Comment #17 from Jay Philips <philipz85@hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to Owen Genat from comment #16)
> > Can you elaborate on this.
>
> This was a general reference to the design plan for toolbars vs sidebar.
> Rather than elaborate here, I will do so in the Design forum as that would
> seem more appropriate. I have made a start in these two locations:
>
> https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/218
> https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/217?r=219#message-219

Well as this bug report is discussing toolbar and their buttons, i dont see the
argument in bringing up the sidebar.

> > One of the primary goals of the single group button is to provide quick
> > access to being able to add a single shape. 
>
> We are talking different forms of quick access (latency) trade-off here. I
> will just summarise here both our points. The advantage of having a single
> always-displayed toolbar with group item, is that the initial click is low
> latency, but hunting for a specific item remains high(er) latency. By
> comparison the current toolbar has high initial latency (getting it
> displayed) and then low(er) latency while in use, as more recently used
> items are on display at once. Thus for inserting a single shape, the group
> button is more advantageous, but for constructing a drawing, a dedicated
> toolbar is often more advantageous. We seem to be in agreement about this
> and in honesty I do not hold a strong opinion, particular with respect to
> this toolbar in Writer, but I wanted to make these points clear.

Yes we do agree on these points. Both have their advantages, so i'd like to
create the one that is presently not available.

> > I doubt there is a need to dedicate an entire sidebar pane to inserting
> > drawing objects and this enhancement is focused on toolbar users how wont be
> > using the sidebar.
>
> I guess this depends, as I indicated above on the ultimate design strategy
> with respect to the toolbars and sidebar.

Look forward to hearing this design strategy, as i consider the toolbar-only UI
and toolbar + sidebar UI to be separate modes a user should be able to choose
from.

https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/69?r=118#message-118
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/163

> > Can you elaborate on this.
>
> I meant that View > Toolbar > Drawing could be amended to expose a new
> Drawing deck in the sidebar (as Format > Styles and Formatting now will, as
> per bug 73151). Of course this is speculative, and it may be View > Toolbar
> > Drawing will merely hide/reveal a launched toolbar, should this type of
> behaviour be pursued. Again, this is really a discussion better suited to
> the Design forum.

If you'd like to propose a drawing deck in the sidebar, i look forward to its
discussion and mockups.

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