[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 84350] Creation of a shapes drop down group button

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84350

--- Comment #16 from Owen Genat <owen.genat@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #12)
> (In reply to comment #8)
> > Jay I think the problem you are going to have with this enhancement is that
> > it will depend on changing a few other UX aspects.
>
> Can you elaborate on this.

This was a general reference to the design plan for toolbars vs sidebar. Rather
than elaborate here, I will do so in the Design forum as that would seem more
appropriate. I have made a start in these two locations:

https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/218
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/boards/1/topics/217?r=219#message-219

> One of the primary goals of the single group button is to provide quick
> access to being able to add a single shape. 

We are talking different forms of quick access (latency) trade-off here. I will
just summarise here both our points. The advantage of having a single
always-displayed toolbar with group item, is that the initial click is low
latency, but hunting for a specific item remains high(er) latency. By
comparison the current toolbar has high initial latency (getting it displayed)
and then low(er) latency while in use, as more recently used items are on
display at once. Thus for inserting a single shape, the group button is more
advantageous, but for constructing a drawing, a dedicated toolbar is often more
advantageous. We seem to be in agreement about this and in honesty I do not
hold a strong opinion, particular with respect to this toolbar in Writer, but I
wanted to make these points clear.

> I doubt there is a need to dedicate an entire sidebar pane to inserting
> drawing objects and this enhancement is focused on toolbar users how wont be
> using the sidebar.

I guess this depends, as I indicated above on the ultimate design strategy with
respect to the toolbars and sidebar.

> > This is similar to the recent change with regard to the Styles and Formatting
> > toolbar.
>
> Can you elaborate on this.

I meant that View > Toolbar > Drawing could be amended to expose a new Drawing
deck in the sidebar (as Format > Styles and Formatting now will, as per bug
73151). Of course this is speculative, and it may be View > Toolbar > Drawing
will merely hide/reveal a launched toolbar, should this type of behaviour be
pursued. Again, this is really a discussion better suited to the Design forum.

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