[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 57433] There is no border between the document and toolbar areas

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57433

--- Comment #65 from Mirek2 <mazelm@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #62)
> I say this is a UI bug. All OS X apps that have a top menu have that border.
> LO Does not so it's either ignorant to OS X specific standard design or it
> is a valid bug.

It's not OS X-specific. It's the case with Gnome's Adwaita theme as well.

> I do not think it's fine as is. I think it is a minor UI bug which should be
> fixed, so LO finally become more visually appealing on OS X little by little.

Agreed. If we want a great UX, we need to be perfectionists.

> Adolfo saying " minor visual annoyance" but then again why not fix it? Is
> this such a time consuming fix? I wouldn't believe so. Please do not say
> "provide a patch" because although looking at the time I spend on LO, it
> would probably better be spent coding for LO, but I still do not have those
> capabilities :S
>
> Who is Ahmad H and why is he to decide on a final status here?

He's not to decide on a final status, but he did work on this a while ago, so
he's acquainted with the code and probably knows about the reasons why the
delineation wasn't included.

> Mirek suggested this would be fixed by fixing the bug referred to in comment
> 34.
>
> It obviously is NOT fixed.
>
> Mirek: can you please provide design departement's perspective on this?
> Since otherwise devs say "we think this is fine as is".

I can only provide my perspective, and perhaps other designers will chime in as
well.

Unfortunately, there's a pervasive indifference to UX problems within the
LibreOffice community. (I'm not blaming anyone, though -- based on what I hear,
the VCL toolkit is really off-putting, changes tend to be controversial, the UX
team still needs to figure out how to be productive, and LibreOffice's business
model encourages work on compatibility/features rather than usability.) If we
ever want have widespread adoption, focus needs to move to UX. Refinements like
this are a necessary part of that.

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