[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #13 from Daniel Hulse <simplecontrast@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #9)
> (In reply to comment #8)

> Also you will have users who will choose not to use the sidebar, so i dont
> think LibO should force them to do so.

Changing the design of something does not constitute "forcing" people to do
anything. This mentality is an all-too-prevalent enemy of design. It may be a
bit of a cliche by now, but design is not some kind of polish you put on
software after you've made it to make it look nice--design is how it works, so
if we can't make decisions about how LibreOffice works, then we can't expect it
to be designed well. We shouldn't rely on the expectation that each user will
"paint their own" ui--most people can't be bothered to do that. Most people
don't use LibreOffice primarily for the ability to change the chrome--they use
it to be productive. The sidebar is a much more natural way of laying out
tools, which I would bet increases overall productivity. 


> > Also you will have users who will choose not to use the sidebar, so i dont
> > think LibO should force them to do so.

> I'm just saying that putting common things into harder-to-access group >drop-downs to make room 
> for lesser-used commands goes against the quick access >nature of toolbars.

This is important. A toolbar with many items takes just as long to look through
as a menu. 

In order to move forward, we need to: 
(1) Recognize and agree that Writer's toolbars have a fixable problem.
(2) (a) Create a whiteboard to work on this problem collaboratively, or
(2) (b) Create different proposals separately
(3) Decide on a solution
(4) Get some developers to work on it.

This bug report is great for addressing (1), but we can't move into part (2)
without first completing part (1), which is answering the question: Are the
standard and formatting toolbars in need of a redesign?

I would say they are.

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