Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Remove the Navigator button below the scrollbar in Writer

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker <
jean-francois.nifenecker@laposte.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Le 14/11/2013 17:10, Mirek M. a écrit :
> > I would definitely vote for removing these
> > buttons from the scrollbar.
>
> I wouldn't. Many people use it without using the Navigator (yes, they
> are wrong but that's life :)

Can you back up that statement?
So far, I haven't seen anyone use it, and whenever I ask someone about it,
they don't know what it's for.

> > If we get a number of complaints about the feature being available only
> > from the Navigator, we can add it to the status bar, which at least has
> > a static height on all platforms.
>
> Wouldn't this add clutter to the status bar?

Not necessarily.
The three buttons feel right at home next to the navigation section of the
status bar (the one that says "Page 1/1"). All that's needed is to add the
three buttons next to it. The added advantage here is that we could theme
these buttons to fit with the rest of the status bar. iWork Pages does the
same thing [1].

Also, the three buttons are cluttering up the scrollbar, where they stick
out like a sore thumb. They don't fit in well with any operating system's
scroll bars and are sometimes too small to be comfortably targeted with a
mouse (and, as mentioned, sometimes even too small for the icons to be
visible at all).

>  Given that it's been removed from
> > Office 2013 without vocal complaints (it seems), I don't think there
> > will be need for that.
>
> Argh! Stop comparing LibO to MSO. Please. LibO has to get its own
> personality and be itself. Promoting styles, for instance :)

I definitely agree we should forge our own path, and I certainly didn't
mean to say "If Microsoft's doing it, let's do it too". However, I felt it
was relevant to the discussion that no stink was raised about Microsoft
removing the same thing.

[1] http://ubuntuone.com/2EEIFZCyIEHJwCIU9qQjH8