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Hello,

I'd like to point out some ideas of mine for the new start center as well,

1. Tabs labeled All, Documents, Spreadsheets etc. would look better if they are located right under 
the window bar, currently they look like they've been pressed down by the Open/Templates buttons 
and LibreOffice logo area. 
2. Changing the application background colour from settings change the SC background as well as 
usual, and LibreOffice logo looks bad under certain colours, not readable at all. Personally I am 
not sure if we ever need a LO logo for the Start Center, it just takes up space. 
3. Info, Get Templates, Get Extensions buttons should be located on the lower corner, not upper. 
Again waste of space. 
4. Open/Templates buttons are very very big, and they look very alienated on OS X. Have no idea 
about the other platforms. 
5. New document buttons under the tabs are also very big, they do not look native, and they leave 
very valuable space wasted on the right side of the buttons. Same case for the small buttons under 
the All Recent tab.
6. Also mentioned here before, Recent Documents are would offer more file manager capabilities, 
basic functions like longer file names, ability to drag&drop, a search bar, and a system right 
click context menu!
7. When a recent document is opened, window should maximise itself by default,  at least there 
should be an option to maximise the window automatically, a normal user would probably maximise the 
window area after opening a document. 
8. As a long term goal, it would be better to merge templates window into the start center. 

Best regards,

Emir Yâsin SARI
bitigchi@me.com



18 Ağu 2013 tarihinde 14:16 saatinde, Mirek M. şunları yazdı:

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Mirek M. <mazelm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure <jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org> wrote:
Hi,

Le 14/08/2013 08:51, Mirek M. a écrit :
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
<jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org <mailto:jbf.faure@sud-ouest.org>> wrote:

    Hi Krisztian,

    Le 24/07/2013 18:16, Krisztian Pinter a écrit :
    > Hi all!
    >
    > I'm working on this GSoC
    > project:
    
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas#Use_Widget_Layout_for_the_Start_Center

    I just tried the first implementation of the new startcenter in the
    master. It is interesting to view the recent documents but there is a
    problem in the actual implementation in which it is impossible to see
    the entire name of the file. Do you plan to offer different views of the
    list, like icons, detailed list and compact list?


My opinion on the matter:
It'd be good to keep the number of views simple.
A detailed list makes sense, but I don't see much of a point in an icon
list (thumbnails are much more informational, icons just show the file
type and are completely useless when you're not on the "All" tab).

I disagree, icons are useful even when you are not on the "All" tab to
distinguish between ODF, MSO files or other document formats.

AFAIK, we don't have separate icons for the various file formats right now.
However, if easy separation between these formats was something we needed, we could simply add 
labels to our thumbnails instead.
This would add clutter, though, so perhaps presenting this information as a file extension might 
be better.
 
I think thumbnails are informational if you have the possibility to zoom
temporary on a particular thumbnail to see a more detailed view. In
other cases I prefer icons and filenames.

You should use list view, then. :)

I'm not in favor of a compact list either -- if you need a list, use the
detailed list view, if you need to browse quickly, use the thumbnail
view. I realize that the compact view is much more compact, but it
doesn't seem worth the work and the UI overhead.

I agree, it was just an example of the different possible views.



    In the mockup (here:
    https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Start_Center) the
    filenames follow the old ms-dos 8 digit rule; am I wrong if I assume
    that, today, nobody still uses that rule in the real life ? ;-)


Sorry, I left out the handling of long names from the proposal.
Given that Gnome Documents [1] uses the same layout, how about adopting
their way -- limiting the filename to two rows, and if it doesn't fit,
cutting it off about 8 characters from the end of the word, if I'm not
mistaken. You can ask Jon McCann or Jakub Steiner about the specifics,
if you'd like.

Why only 2 rows? If the files systems allow to have long filenames,
applications should not decide to nullify this functionality.

I was basing the design on that of Gnome Documents, where the reasoning is to keep a nice layout 
going.
iWork and Google Drive go even further and allow one line for filenames.

Perhaps you're right, though -- maybe we should leave the file names up to the user. Still, I'd 
be more comfortable limiting the name to at least 3 or 4 rows, to make sure a single file doesn't 
completely break the layout.

In a detailed list view, each column should be adjustable.

Forgot to comment this:
Here, again, I'd like to adopt the Gnome Documents layout, which is not adjustable, but works 
well with just about any reasonable window size.
The columns are:
1) Small thumbnails
2) Titile on the first row, the author in a lighter font on the second row. This column has 
maximum width.
3) File type (for us, simply "ODF" or "DOC" would do)
4) Local vs. cloud storage (not applicable for us right now)
5) Date of last edit.

That said, maybe the list view is a bit premature at this point.

Indeed it is
very common to have filenames longer than 30 characters and
distinguishable only by their last characters (for example when using
suffixes like _v01, _v02, etc.).

Yes -- that's why the cuttoff should leave about 8 characters at the end of the word. (Gnome's 
example is "Filetype icon is really a severe an..xception".)

As the new StartCenter becomes a kind of document manager, it should be
very useful if it allowed to right-click on a document to display some
useful informations like size, pathname, last modified date, etc. 

From an accessibility point of view, tooltips should be displayed in the
thumbnails view.

Tooltips with what information?
(Tooltips should show the full title if it's cut off.)

Another function which could be very useful is "remove all not existent
local files from the recent files list".

This should be done automatically, not with a button.

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