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Hi Kendy,

Jan Holesovsky wrote (25-09-12 16:00)
Cor Nouws píše v Út 25. 09. 2012 v 14:58 +0200:

Hmm, currently the pop-up is the (only?) way to see the name of the slide.
How should we think about that?

That is not changed currently, as that is a tooltip, and shows outside

OK, if that's not influenced, I'm fine !

And does the removing also refer to the little toolbar in the side pane?
(If I see the number of line changes in the commit, I guess yes...)

Not sure if I understand you correctly; I removed the "Button bar" that
is highlighted on the screenshot attached to the original mail, which I
think you refer to as 'the little toolbar' - but not sure.

Yes, that is what I meant. And currently it's both shown in the slide sorted and the side pane (View > Side Pane in design mode).

Therefore the good OpenOffice.org developers and people conducted a
large project some years ago, Renaissance.
Of course the toolbar is one of the changes the was a result from that.
I guess all the work was done, because many obvious actions are not easy
enough accessible for Joe-average. And that these were only the first
steps in a route to make Impress (&more) more contemporary.
The little pop-ups fit more in modern UI (-expectations) I guess then
context menu's - let alone short-cuts and pull down menus...

I don't think I agree with you here.  The touch-based devices need to
have everything shown, nothing appearing based on a presence of a mouse
pointer; and it seems to me as a good trend in general.

I expect that (some) controls on small devises appear when you move to an edge/side. You can see that as a sort of appearing after mouse-move?

Please note that Renaissance is 3-4 years old project.

So them problems identified at that time have been solved ;-) ?

I have heard complaints about this Button bar from several people, and
no 'oh, I love these appearing buttons' - so I believe we are fine.  The
same with the appearing / disappearing header / footer controls - lots
of complaints that it is too much disruptive, so I believe that not
using any controls that appear after a timeout only supports that the
above mentioned trend is Good :-)

I agree with the header/footer thing.
Never heard complaints about the button bar, other then that it's creation came together with the hiding of the slide name...

I can understand that people do not like pop-ups. And maybe I even do agree. But removing them, leaves the challenge that they were set up for in the first place, the problem that they were to solve, orphaned..? Maybe I missed part of the plan. Or maybe we simply declare that office-users are expected to use the context menu abundant :-)

Cheers,
Cor


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