Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] A sheet by default

I don't see a big problem with three initial sheets, but I agree that 
starting with only one is the better option here. It is especially 
confusing when users don't rename the default sheets so that there is no 
indication at all that they contain data. Or could we have an indicator 
(colored bar or something) in the sheet tab to visualize empty sheets 
and ones that contain data?

Greetings,
DM


On 21.5.2012 11:55, Mirek M. wrote:
> 2012/5/21 Jean-Francois Nifenecker <jean-francois.nifenecker@laposte.net
> <mailto:jean-francois.nifenecker@laposte.net>>
>
>     Le 21/05/2012 11:33, Mirek M. a écrit :
>
>         Hi everyone,
>         I'm wondering -- is there a good reason for creating a
>         spreadsheet with
>         three sheets by default instead of with one sheet?
>         I feel that creating three sheets by default unnecessarily
>         increases the
>         document size and confuses readers of the document, as they have
>         to look
>         through all three sheets to see if there is additional content
>         -- and
>         they often don't anymore, as they're used to those two sheets being
>         empty. That means they're potentially missing out on data should the
>         creator have chosen to actually use those two additional sheets.
>         Could we make the default one sheet?
>
>
>
>     As for the file size, here's a test I've just done (Lib0 3.3.4):
>     Open LibO Calc. Enter "A" in Sheet1.A1,
>     then
>     Save as-is (3 default sheets), the file size is 7,413 B
>     Delete the 2 unused sheets, then save. Now the file size is 7,398 B
>
>     -> is a 15 B difference such a big deal?
>
>
> No, not really. But it is unnecessary.
>
>
>     As for the users' confusion: yes, it might be.
>
>
> I personally have experience with this -- someone sent me a spreadsheet
> which did use the second sheet and I was not aware of it, which of
> course lead to some confusion and frustration.
>
>     OTOH, I think it might also help users understand a spreadsheet can
>     hold more than one sheet.
>
>
> I disagree. A user should realize that just by looking at the bar with
> sheets and seeing the plus button next to "Sheet 1".
> Browsers open with one tab by default -- users don't have a problem
> understanding that you can have several tabs. And I definitely think
> browsers should NOT open with three tabs by default.
> Or take a look at Impress -- it opens with one slide by default, and
> people have no problem understanding that they can create another slide,
> despite the fact that the "+" button is quite far from the slide pane.
>
>
>     As a result, I'd stay with the current 3 default sheets scheme.
>
>
>
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