Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] The "no border text" feature in Writer 3.5 is not complete

On 02/14/2012 03:16 PM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> some time ago, I had posted some messages on the FR users list about 
> that feature and was directed to this (at the time, for me) hidden list 
> by Cedric.
>
> I think that feature is ok per se, but as it is currently implemented 
> (Writer v.3.5) is not complete: it lacks an option to set it back.
>
> Yes. Set it back.
>
> When I'm creating a new document, the zoom function is usually set to 
> close up. Thus, in the middle of the page, I can't see the new top and 
> bottom "angles", which makes difficult (read: impossible) to visually 
> place any item (image or paragraph let or right position come to mind) 
> relatively to the margins.
>
> So, introducing the new feature is ok for me as it may help some users. 
> But this decision should not interfere with satisfied users who now 
> *lack* an important visual clue when devising their documents. In the 
> previous releases, the option was there: users could display or hide the 
> text limits; why change that?
>
> This opinion seems somewhat shared by some others since the v.3.5 
> release. What people here think?
...

+1
and it's probably worth pointing out this thread on the users list:
<http://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg16735.html>
[[libreoffice-users] LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer]
for reference.

Eliminating the Text Boundaries margin borders is (IMO) a definite
regression.

This list doesn't seem to be very apparent to any users and is not
listed here:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
or here:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/#Global_Lists
or here:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/#Local_Regional_Lists
and seems to only be here:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Meeting ground for hackers and UX experts - get advise here for user
experience questions.
Please confine discussions about implementation details and
decision-making about the right UX solution to the respective lists.]

So is this the correct list, or is the design list more appropriate? If
the latter is the case, then it appears that this request from January
has been ignored:
<http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03578.html>
[libreoffice-design] Text boundaries like 3.4.x

However, can anyone on this list point me (us) to a bug report detailing
the change from showing document borders to the existing 3.5 default of
not showing the borders?
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31251>
[Bug 31251 - [EasyHack] Make the default page look better ]
doesn't seem to address the issue. So how can a change like this be
changed without a specific bug report? Is merely creating a wiki page[1]
annotating such a change acceptable instead?

[1]
<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboard/Writer_SpecialIndicators#Document_Margin_Design>
[Document Margin Design]
--> <http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DocumentBorder>