Hi Michael,
hey, you manage your mails quite well ... :-)
Am Montag, den 01.08.2011, 16:30 +0100 schrieb Michael Meeks:
Hi Christophe,
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 13:22 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote:
No, no mis-understanding in general - it is about whether people are
able to understand the behavior. Simply "enabling a toolbar icon" isn't
enough in such case. Example:
Ah - ok; well - we could turn the grid on while in this mode to provide
some visual indication ;-) presumably it is most useful when drawing.
More useful than when moving objects? No, it would make the behavior
less predictable ...
In our case it seems, that we want to copy a fragment (sticky behavior)
of this "advanced drawing capability" for e.g. Draw/Impress - without
thinking what will be the consequences.
Nah - we're asking you to think about the consequences :-) and Federico
has a reasonably complete proposal I guess, might be better to put it
into the wiki so it can be edited, but ...
At the end, it it about whether our users can cope with such behavior
and whether it is an improvement for them. At the moment, I don't have
sufficient information to provide a (guessed) statement.
Well - we have at least one user complaining about it, and one that has
a lot of relevant UI experience, and who has provided a patch :-) If
there is no data on whether users can cope either way - I'd personally
love to change it.
Again, I still don't know whether we affect the behavior for Impress as
well. And, you don't need data to know that "missing feedback" will
drive a lot of people nuts :-) And, hey, I don't understand the argument
having one person "complaining" about a given behavior ... but needing a
lot of user data whether those people (not complaining, or not being
heard) can cope with the new behavior. ;-)
So, if the change gets applied, then I really recommend to think about
the feedback and the "how to dismiss those modes" for the user. I
provided my some proposals and I'm happy to cooperate with Frederico to
collect the available information on a Whiteboard (or everywhere else).
If we are passionate enough about the old way, we can
have "yet another option" - and eventually hide it in a new mozilla-like
options list (perhaps) ;-)
Well, although this might be a surprise, I don't like options that much.
Options are sometimes helpful, but usually a "the guys didn't knew it
better" - so I'm rather for a sane behavior.
Cheers,
Christoph
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