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this post is getting very interesting

On 6 August 2011 17:13, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi :)
Yes, hence the use of TCO (=Total Cost of Ownership).

Macs usually have a much lower TCO than MS because systems are less prone
to
malware and need less maintenance.  Also they are a status symbol so who
cares
if it actually works or not?

TCO is not just licensing and  re-training costs but includes a ton of
other
factors.  Such as time taken to roll it out across a large number of
computers
along with  patches, updates, settings.  New or updated Support Contracts
or
in-house IT Staff training.


Of course OpenSource can usually mitigate against the re-training costs by
allowing products to be installed alongside existing & competing ones
allowing
migration in a series of steps
1.  Old system is kept as default so people can play with the newer one and
slowly get used to it.  Training for a percentage of staff in rotation.
Roll-out can be done over a period of time.  Compatibility checks.

2.  Newer system is made default but older one is still available, just
more
difficult to get at.   Follow-up training.  Again this switch can be
staggered
across the organisation rather than all-at-once.

3.  Older system stops being installed on newer or refurbished machines.

Costs will be higher, particularly in the 1st stage which can push people
into
rushing it which ramps the costs up even more.  Imo the 2nd stage is the
one
worth giving the most time to.  The first stage needs a fair fraction of
that
time just to make sure things will work and that there are enough trained
people
to help colleagues if there is trouble but it's only at the 2nd stage where
people will really take it seriously or even notice it at all.


Elected governments are seldom interested in longer term results.  They
need
fast results in order to get re-elected.  It's tricky to get a longer-term
view
without compromising important values.  The Uk attempts it reasonably well
but
it's far from perfect.  Anyway the only relevance that sort of thinking has
is
on how to set-up our own BoD and i think that's better discussed on a
different
list.


Regards from
Tom :)




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From: planas <jslozier@gmail.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 6 August, 2011 4:25:14
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] There goes Open-Source in the White House

On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 20:53 +0000, toki wrote:

On 08/05/2011 05:57 PM, upscope wrote:

our government is looking for big budget cuts. One would be replace
 all the
MS stuff with open source software.


If the united states government, or the government of the united kingdom
ruled today that effective 1 January 2012, only FLOSS may be used by the
government, and closed source, proprietary software was banned, the
budget savings would, at the earliest, be visible in 2016, and probably
not until 2020, or even 2025. This is simply due to the unbreakable
contracts various software vendors have with those governments.
Contracts that requires the vendors to be paid, regardless of whether or
not the product meets the contract specifications, assuming it is
delivered in the first place.

Long term, FLOSS saves money. Short term, it doesn't save money, and can
be described as costing money.

jonathon
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If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth
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Actually changing to another application/OS, etc will require a learning
curve at the beginning. The advantage that FOSS has is the primary cost
to using is the learning curve in most cases. I think often the actual
costs of switching forget if I switched from LO to KOffice I have a
learning curve, I do not know KOffice so I need to learn its quirks to
become proficient. If a purchase is involved it just adds to the cost.

Jay Lozier
jslozier@gmail.com
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