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Hi :)
I don't have a specific purpose.  I was more thinking of just learning for
fun as a hobbyist in those brief moments where i have time and fancy
something to get my teeth into for half and hour or so.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 9 July 2018 at 17:40, Andrew Pitonyak <> wrote:

Disclaimer: I have only used Python once to to talk to LO. In fact, I work
pretty hard to write all of my "macros" in Basic because support is very
consistent across platforms. I cannot comment directly on Python, but, in
Basic, I do not need to worry about which interface handles which calls,
that level of detail is handled for free.

If I decided to not use Basic, I would evaluate which other language has
the best integration, and, I cannot comment on that since I rarely leave
Basic. I looked at Python because there was an issue with the Python
version for a macro that someone wrote and they were having trouble with

My Primary complaint about Python is that the block structure is directly
related to the spacing and I have had that messed with as I moved between
machines and operating system. I do not expect that to be a problem if you
do not move between machines and if you have full control over the editor
that use in terms of how it is configured....... And if you are not pasting
code that others have written or from web sites. All of those issues have
caused me issues all related to how Python interprets blocks. When I write
code in my Python specific editor and I stay on one machine, and I do not
integrate code from other places, I have no problems with it. I should note
that I work with some people who feel that they must solve every problem
with Python.

As for your first language, I do not see a problem with using Python, but
I also do not see a problem using Basic. Much depends on your end goal.
Especially if you limit external dependencies, Python should run unchanged
on most machines with a few caveats.

Why do you want to program? More specifically, what do you want to produce?

What type of programs do you want to write? (GUI, command line, control
LO, etc...)

How portable must your code be?

If you want to write a GUI and it will only run on Windows, I think that
Visual Studio has a decent environment for development. I spend way more
time writing Java and C++ these days, which means that I have not been
using Visual Studio lately.

On 2018-07-09 6:20, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
@ Mauricio:  Wow!!!  That was very eloquent! :))  Thanks :)

@ Gordon:  Sorry!  I had a go with Pascal but got distracted and didn't
very far.  It looked a LOT more elegant but i was entrenched in using
at the time and couldn't handle the back to basics at that point in time.

@ all: Do you think Python is easy as a 1st language?  - or is it better
start with something else first to ease into it all?

I'm kinda playing around with Scratch a bit and kinda learning Python but
at a very relaxed pace.  Both seem quite good fun now :)

Regards from a Tom :)

On 9 July 2018 at 06:19, gordon cooper <>

GoTo. One of the curses of Basic, the GoTo.

When used by newcomers (and a few some old hands too) a
Basic program would  soon become an unstructured mess of
GoTo's and a hassle to debug.  One of our Pascal lecturers was
very  anti-Basic and forbade us to use it,  or to even talk about it
in his presence.

Thank you Tom and Jonathon for the memory,

On 09/07/18 15:55, toki wrote:

On 08/07/18 09:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

I remember learning one form of basic in the 80s and that was pretty

There is a book from the early/mid eighties, that is simply lists the
vocabulary of the various dialects of BASIC in use then. IIRC, it was
called _The BASIC Book_. It was written specifically for programmers to
port software between the various systems that were available.

Back then, all variants of basic used line numbers, and allowed GoTo.
Today, several variants of BASIC don't use line number, and some
variants don't have GoTo.


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