Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Where is Base?

Hi :)
I am not quite sure what level of co-operation you are asking for.  There
is always a potential for more, of course.

At the moment, and hopefully on into the future, they are independent of
each other and each has their own advantages and peculiar quirks.  They
gain the advantages of competition while being able to co-operate too.
Both have far too few devs imo but the devs in both are pretty heroic.
More devs in either or both might make things interesting. :)

At the moment both can connect to a wide range of back-ends.  Also both
could be front-ends for the same back-end.  Creating 2 different front-ends
might be annoying but it seems to be very possible.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 3 March 2015 at 14:14, Jaroslaw Staniek <staniek@kde.org> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> Interesting. Given similar, huge challenges, would you see areas of
> cooperation with Kexi?
>
>
> On 3 March 2015 at 14:33, Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > +1
> >
> > One advantage of Base is that it can connect to such a wide range of
> other
> > database programs.  It is kinda the default way of using Base.  MS Access
> > can be twisted into using an external database but it's not as easy to
> > set-up that way as Base.
> >
> > Kexi and other front-ends can be used either alongside Base or on other
> > systems by other users to use the same external back-end as the Base
> users
> > connect to.  Again this "playing well with others" is a huge advantage
> that
> > Access doesn't have by default.
> >
> >
> > Sadly the marketing team, if and when they ever mention Base, focus on
> > using the internal back-end and never even mention the advantages that
> Base
> > has.  This could be one reason why we see so many people using the
> internal
> > back-end and comparing it negatively against Access.
> >
> > Unfortunately the marketing team took such strong offence to my
> objections
> > to their attempts to market Base on it's weakest points instead of it's
> > strength that they banned me from posting to their mailing list at all.
> > Sometimes i am really not a "people person"!
> >
> >
> > I think if we do mention specific back-ends, especially if they are owned
> > by Oracle, then it is well worth pointing out other names.  It's not
> about
> > fanboyism, just about showing there are a wide range of choices - and
> that
> > people might well already have a database (or even spreadsheet) that can
> be
> > used without any export-import conversions.  It is VERY good to know that
> > use of internal back-end can be externalised fairly easily without having
> > to go through all the troubles Ian Whitfield went through.  On the other
> > hand his move away from Java-based back-ends probably gave additional
> > benefits!
> >
> >
> > I definitely appreciate Andreas' posts in this thread!  He has cleared-up
> > several mysteries by explaining the problems "under the bonnet".  It has
> > also been good to see experienced and knowledgeable people giving
> anecdotal
> > confirmation of Andreas' points.
> >
> > In answer to Jay's question there was some attempt to move to using
> > "Firebird" rather than "HSqlDb" but i think that is still an
> "experimental
> > feature" and that we now effectively have a choice of 2 internal
> back-ends
> > neither of which work entirely as hoped for yet.  With Firebird it feels
> > like it is "on the way" though.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2 March 2015 at 21:09, Andreas Säger <villeroy@t-online.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Am 02.03.2015 um 21:23 schrieb Tom Davies:
> > > > Hi :)
> > > > Apparently another great database program to use as a back-end is
> > > > Postgresql.  Some of the Postgresql people worked with the LibreOffice
> > > > people to make a really good connector and then got that connector
> into
> > > > LibreOffice main trunk.
> > >
> > > This is not a matter of partisanship, fanboyism nor objective evidence
> > > of the better product. The important thing is that you are able to
> > > connect to whatever you already have. The database of your online shop,
> > > your business software, your accounting software, some dBase directory,
> > > spreadsheets or csv files. The connectivity feature lets you use tabular
> > > data without troublesome export/import.
> > >
> > > If all you have is an embedded HSQLDB, you can convert this to HSQL 2
> > > within minutes. Conversion into Postrgre/MySQL/whatever would require
> > > careful editing of SQL scripts, testing and possibly adjustment of
> > > queries, forms, reports.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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