I agree with your method ... & congratulate you on obviously
being a bright teacher.
Now ...
I'm curiously wondering how using 'styles' differs from the
'select all' then changing the font, or whatever;
that method takes me mere seconds as well ;-)
Also, I'm curiously wondering what method(s) your students
would be using which would take them so long ???
From: *Virgil Arrington* <arringtonve@gmail.com
<mailto:arringtonve@gmail.com>>
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tab defaults change when pasting into
Writer from some other applications
To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>
Tim,
I'm way too late in this thread to be helpful as I have been absent
for several months (for some reason the list stopped recognizing my
email address, so I recently resubscribed with a different address).
That said, I can relate to what I perceive to be your issues. I do a
lot of Bible study work with LO and eSword and Bibletime as well as
Bible.org. I always run into problems when I copy and paste quotes
from one of these sources to LO.
As I look at your document (an interesting study indeed, btw -- love
the reference to Origen), I see a lot of formatting inconsistency
going on. Font changes, smartquotes here, dumbquotes there, etc. This
is the result of pasting formatted text from one source into LO. Now
you may not care about this as I'm sure these are probably private
notes, not necessarily for dissemination, but...
In my experience with extra-LO sources such as eSword, etc., I've come
to always paste using Paste-Special/Unformatted text. That way, I can
then quickly apply an appropriate paragraph style to the text and all
is well.
Virgil
btw., Ironically, as I'm typing this, I'm sitting in my Law Office
Technology class while my students are taking a test on the use of
paragraph styles. After teaching this class for five semesters, I've
finally found an approach that works. I think Tom suggested it. I give
them an unformatted document and ask them to format it using any
method they understand. They usually take 30 to 45 minutes and end up
with a mess. I then demonstrate reformatting the document with styles
and I'm done in about 3 minutes and the document formatting is
consistent and useful. I then ask, "If your client was paying $200 an
hour to have a legal document prepared and formatted, who would they
rather pay, me or you?"
On 10/31/2014 9:57 AM, Tim Deaton wrote:
Sorry for the delay in responding. Too many other things going on.
-- Tim
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On 10/26/2014 4:56 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
At 16:25 26/10/2014 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote:
On 10/26/2014 02:13 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
At 13:51 26/10/2014 -0400, Tim Deaton wrote:
I'm currently running LO v4.2.6.3 on Windows 7,
64-bit, SP1.
I use Writer primarily to create notes for Bible
study lessons. In that process, I often copy text
into Writer from other programs (most likely
e-Sword and TheWord (two free Bible software
programs which, I think, both use the SQLite
open-source database program). The template I use
for this has the default tab-stop setting
(Tools|Options|LO Writer|General) set to 0.25 inch.
My problem is that when copying text passages from
those (and perhaps other) programs into LO, that
default tab-stop gets reset to 0.5 inch, so that I
have to go into the Options to change it back
after each copy/paste. I don't know when exactly
this behavior started, but I do know this
resetting did not happen when I was using OOo and
then LO 3.x. It either started with LO 4.0 or 4.1.
I'm not sure why you would want to use default tab
stops at all. They are so close that you often need to
add multiple consecutive tab characters, and this is
surely a recipe for your documents being fragile and
not robust to changes of font, paper size, printer,
platform, and so on? Tab stops are a property of
paragraph styles. Why not set up a paragraph style
with just the tab stops you actually need and then
apply this style to the text (very easily done)
immediately after pasting
What about using paste special the "Unformatted text"
option after creating the paragraph style you want?
I'm not sure how that helps. In any case, the questioner
originally said he wanted to retain elements of formatting in
the copied text.
Brian Barker
Thanks for your comments, and your patience.
The reason for the .25" tab stops (about 6mm) is that in these
documents I do a lot of outline-type indenting, but without the
outline numbering. Also, the pasted-in scripture sections use .25"
hanging indents in one of the source programs, and I like to keep
that. It's NOT for tabbed spaces in the middle of a line.
When I started using OOo for this, I set up a template just for
these documents, and brought that over to LO when I switched. The
.25" default tab stops are part of that template. Given its age,
I doubt I used styles then, but I really don't remember. I just
know that the default setting used to not be bothered by the stuff
I paste in from eSword and TheWord, but now it is.
Here's a link to a recent document:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50459876/ss20141026.Heb8.odt
(I wanted to include this on my original post, but computer
problems - part of the "too many other things" above - prevented
that.)
- Tim D.
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