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Oh, and I forgot to mention that, if you want LO (or in the case of my class, MS-Word) to automatically generate a table of contents you *must* use styles as the program searches for specific styles (typically Heading 1, 2, 3, etc.) to put into the contents.

Virgil

On 11/1/2014 9:33 AM, anne-ology wrote:
I agree with your method ... & congratulate you on obviously being a bright teacher.

       Now ...
I'm curiously wondering how using 'styles' differs from the 'select all' then changing the font, or whatever;
               that method takes me mere seconds as well  ;-)

Also, I'm curiously wondering what method(s) your students would be using which would take them so long ???



From: *Virgil Arrington* <arringtonve@gmail.com <mailto:arringtonve@gmail.com>>
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tab defaults change when pasting into Writer from some other applications
To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>


Tim,

I'm way too late in this thread to be helpful as I have been absent for several months (for some reason the list stopped recognizing my email address, so I recently resubscribed with a different address).

That said, I can relate to what I perceive to be your issues. I do a lot of Bible study work with LO and eSword and Bibletime as well as Bible.org. I always run into problems when I copy and paste quotes from one of these sources to LO.

As I look at your document (an interesting study indeed, btw -- love the reference to Origen), I see a lot of formatting inconsistency going on. Font changes, smartquotes here, dumbquotes there, etc. This is the result of pasting formatted text from one source into LO. Now you may not care about this as I'm sure these are probably private notes, not necessarily for dissemination, but...

In my experience with extra-LO sources such as eSword, etc., I've come to always paste using Paste-Special/Unformatted text. That way, I can then quickly apply an appropriate paragraph style to the text and all is well.

Virgil

btw., Ironically, as I'm typing this, I'm sitting in my Law Office Technology class while my students are taking a test on the use of paragraph styles. After teaching this class for five semesters, I've finally found an approach that works. I think Tom suggested it. I give them an unformatted document and ask them to format it using any method they understand. They usually take 30 to 45 minutes and end up with a mess. I then demonstrate reformatting the document with styles and I'm done in about 3 minutes and the document formatting is consistent and useful. I then ask, "If your client was paying $200 an hour to have a legal document prepared and formatted, who would they rather pay, me or you?"



On 10/31/2014 9:57 AM, Tim Deaton wrote:

    Sorry for the delay in responding.  Too many other things going on.

    -- Tim
    ===========================

    On 10/26/2014 4:56 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

        At 16:25 26/10/2014 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote:

            On 10/26/2014 02:13 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

                At 13:51 26/10/2014 -0400, Tim Deaton wrote:

                    I'm currently running LO v4.2.6.3 on Windows 7,
                    64-bit, SP1.

                    I use Writer primarily to create notes for Bible
                    study lessons. In that process, I often copy text
                    into Writer from other programs (most likely
                    e-Sword and TheWord (two free Bible software
                    programs which, I think, both use the SQLite
                    open-source database program).  The template I use
                    for this has the default tab-stop setting
                    (Tools|Options|LO Writer|General) set to 0.25 inch.

                    My problem is that when copying text passages from
                    those (and perhaps other) programs into LO, that
                    default tab-stop gets reset to 0.5 inch, so that I
                    have to go into the Options to change it back
                    after each copy/paste.  I don't know when exactly
                    this behavior started, but I do know this
                    resetting did not happen when I was using OOo and
                    then LO 3.x.  It either started with LO 4.0 or 4.1.


                I'm not sure why you would want to use default tab
                stops at all. They are so close that you often need to
                add multiple consecutive tab characters, and this is
                surely a recipe for your documents being fragile and
                not robust to changes of font, paper size, printer,
                platform, and so on? Tab stops are a property of
                paragraph styles. Why not set up a paragraph style
                with just the tab stops you actually need and then
                apply this style to the text (very easily done)
                immediately after pasting


            What about using paste special the "Unformatted text"
            option after creating the paragraph style you want?


        I'm not sure how that helps. In any case, the questioner
        originally said he wanted to retain elements of formatting in
        the copied text.

        Brian Barker

    Thanks for your comments, and your patience.

    The reason for the .25" tab stops (about 6mm) is that in these
    documents I do a lot of outline-type indenting, but without the
    outline numbering. Also, the pasted-in scripture sections use .25"
    hanging indents in one of the source programs, and I like to keep
    that.  It's NOT for tabbed spaces in the middle of a line.

    When I started using OOo for this, I set up a template just for
    these documents, and brought that over to LO when I switched.  The
    .25" default tab stops are part of that template.  Given its age,
    I doubt I used styles then, but I really don't remember.   I just
    know that the default setting used to not be bothered by the stuff
    I paste in from eSword and TheWord, but now it is.

    Here's a link to a recent document:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50459876/ss20141026.Heb8.odt
    (I wanted to include this on my original post, but computer
    problems - part of the "too many other things" above - prevented
    that.)

    - Tim D.



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