Re: [libreoffice-users] status of Microsoft Office compliance with ODF support?

On 02/14/2014 09:32 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> If this is for an article then i am not sure we can really help.
> Mostly we are all just volunteers and can't give the TDF's official
> stand-point on any of this.  All we can give is anecdotes which
> doesn't really count as proof!
>
> Over the years we have often heard about problems with the MS format
> on this mailing list but very seldom heard about problems with our
> format on their systems!
>
> Quite why the problems weren't being raised as bug-reports against
> MS's apparently poor implementation is a bit of a mystery.  MS admit
> to making "accidental" mistakes in their implementation of their own
> format and we get the blame.  It was the same with the Rtf format and
> even now that MS have lost the court case about their 'accidents' with
> Rtf people still seem to think that everyone else was to blame.  It
> might be interesting to compare the similarity of the promises for
> interoperability made by MS for both formats over the years and the
> types of 'accidents' that both formats have suffered.
>
> We know for certain that Excel 2010 and previous versions of MSO
> implemented ODF support so badly that formulas got replaced by
> hard-coded values.  However, over the years this only got reported to
> us 1 or 2 times.
>
> What we don't know is whether people experienced the problem and took
> it as a sign to avoid Open Document Formats in favour of proprietary
> implementations of other formats or whether people were simply not
> using ODF much at all and so never noticed the problem.
>
> Perhaps people expected formats to only work on the systems they were
> written in, ie that the much vaunted "interoperability" was a complete
> myth and only applied to machines running the same OS and the same
> version of the same programs.  That certainly seems to be the
> prevelant attitude amongst office workers i work with.
>
> Anyway, i personally think MS Office is only just attempting to
> correctly implement the format because ODF is only just beginning to
> be used widely enough that people are beginning to question why it
> works so well on everything except MS's stuff.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> On 14 February 2014 13:59, Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 02/14/2014 06:51 AM, M. Fioretti wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > here is the question, you're welcome to pass it around as much as you
> > > see fit:
> > >
> > > what is the ACTUAL, current status of Microsoft Office compliance with
> > > support for the OpenDocument Format? Is there something specific that
> > > isn't supported yet? What, how.. Case stories, tests, reports,
> > > whatever, all pointers are welcome. Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > >            Marco
> > Marco,
> >
> > MSO 2010 and earlier did not support ODF 1.2 only ODF 1.1. I saw somewhere
> > that ODF 1.2 is supported in MSO 2013/Office 365. Since MS has a history of
> > "improving" their own formats each release I do not know if they have not
> > introduced "improvements" which make the alleged ODF 1.2 effectively a
> > proprietary format.
> >
> > --
> > Jay Lozier
> > jslozier@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
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You mean it works so well on the 1% of systems that don't use MS Office?

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