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On 11/01/2013 08:23 PM, Les Howell wrote:
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 23:01 +0700, Urmas wrote:
And that is great, as Microsoft Office is designed not by copycats, but for 
people who actually know what the Office is for. 

Just a simple question, Do you know who originally designed Microsoft

Les H

MS was the bigest copycats there was back in the early days.  They
"stole" from any package that could get away with.  If they could not
steal it, they bought the copywrites behind it and then others had to
stop using "their technology". 

I was working in the computer field when Apple came out with the first
Mac, and then many of those ideas were used to make the first Windows
OS.  There were a lot of different office packages out there before MSO
came out, or even before MS Works came out.  I know, I used them on
floppy/DOS based system as well as on mini/mainframe systems.  DEC has a
very popular office package that was mostly a word processor, before MSO
was out. 

Now, MS just buys patents, and companies, to get the technology they
need and then sues every one else for patent infrigment if they use
anything that looks like it is any way near their patented tech, but if
they use some other company's patents they will fight till the other
company drains their bank accounts and then go in for the kill.  When
they are big enough to pay court fees and fines out of their "petty cash
fund", they can steal anything they want to and get away with it since
no other company, of government can afford to go head-to-toe with MS in
a court battle, since every one else cannot spend like MS can for court

Now there are some good things about MS, there has to be somewhere, but
I do not know of any off the top of my head.

Actually MS stole the mouse tech from Apple, and Apple stole it from
Zerox [if I remember correctly]. 


"know what the office is for"?

Who's office?  The small business user, the mid-level businesses, the
enterprise level businesses?  Not my home office [now and in the past] 
I dumped MSO as soon as there was a good option that still read/wrote
MSO file formats.  The last MSO I used was 2003, and I fealt it was
"bloated" and a waste of money as it was. 

90% of the businesses users I know of use less than 10% of the features
and functions that MSO has.  MS proudly announced, once, that between
one version of MSO to the next one they added over 1,000 new features.
Well I bet that the users of the previous version of MSO could use very
few on them, unless they were really high end users that need to read
complex manuals to figure out how to get even a third of the new
features to work, even if they could not use hardly any of them in their

Look at the Win8 blunder.  Then tell me that MS knows what offices and
businesses want and need?  Businesses panned it in droves.  But, MS kept
hyping that this is the OS you have been waiting for.

I really wonder when it was, the last time that the developers of MSO or
MS Windows actually go together with a large diversity of users,
business and otherwise, and a large number of them, over 10,000, to ask
what you like and not like about their current project [in a blind
survey] and what is needed for the next version.  It seems that MS feels
that "if we make it for you, you will buy it and love it".  It feels
like they no longer ask users what is wanted or needed.

If MS would have looked at the Linux market, Ubuntu was the top Linux
distro till they came up with the "tile" based Unity desktop
environment.  Users left Ubuntu in droves and Linux Mint, with the older
style of desktop, became the top distro [for non server users].  Also,
no one wanted MS's tile based phones, so MS decided to make phones,
tablets, laptops, and desktop, use a tile based desktop environment. 
They removed the "Start Button" and was "forced" to put it back in Win
8.1, because users voted with the pockets and panned Win8 and kept using
or buying Win7.

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