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Hi :)
Yes, duplexing and other features do  work on some other printers.  The problem is that we can't 
always be certain of what will and what wont work.  As Virgil often grumbles it seems organisations 
like to change things around just to break things.  In this case the HP 960C Deskjet was working 
fine in OS X 10.5 but now doesn't work so well with 10.7.  

On the one side we have manufacturers that want you to pay money for their newer models, preferably 
directly from them.  Supplies would then only need to stock the newer inks and toners.  Fersh faced 
kids out of college would only have to know how to support/use newer stuff.  On the other side we 
have Operating Systems that don't want to be too bloated and don't want to have bits&bobs floating 
around to support things that hardly anyone is using any more.  It's not really a "conspiracy" as 
such, it's just that it's in 'everyone's' best interest to keep on buying into the constant upgrade 
cycle.  Everyone except the consumers and environmentalists and athsemtic kids but who cares about 
them.  We have to spend more to make the economy recover don't we?!
</rant [hopefully]>

<side issue>
In Gnu&Linux land it is supposedly possible to 'just' find the appropriate old kernel module and do 
something to it and then kinda graft it on to a newer system.  I have no idea if that is even 
possible for Macs.  It's a proprietary system and i don't think they like the idea of people diving 
into the code.  Even on Gnu&Linux i have no idea how to actually do that sort of thing anyway.  I 
was hoping that someone might have a much easier fix! ;)
</side issue>

It is good to know that duplexing does work before FUD starts being generated about this sort of 
Regards from 
Tom :)  

From: Steve Edmonds <>
To: Tom Davies <> 
Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>; "" 
Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013, 23:07
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet

I have LO 4.1 dev build on a macbook pro 10.6.8 (I think) and can print 
duplex to a Brother 2040D and an HP C410.

On 2013-07-19 05:37, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Upgrading LO to 4.0.x sounds like a good plan, as does
File - "Export to Pdf"
and then print the Pdf through whatever you view Pdfs with.

Errr i only had a go on 1 Macbook once and i wasn't able to fully explore it.  it was quite a 
big deal for me as it's been about a decade since i last used a Mac.  I have seen quite a few 
people on these mailing lists deal with Mac issues and documentation is pretty good at providing 
a conversion table to deal with a couple of issues.  So i listen to other people and copy&paste 
parts of their previous answers if it seems appropriate.  These lists are great for learning 
tons of useful stuff or just increasing understanding general understanding.

As Tim said Mac is kinda a brother or sister of Gnu&Linux so advice based on one might help with 
the other but there are some odd differences between the platforms.

The main problem seemed to be that because the drivers were built-in to OS X 10.5 it's very 
difficult to get hold of a package that is just the driver or installer.  However, i think the 
op has found 3 drivers that are almost right but just not quite there.  Perhaps upgrading LO 
might help them.
Regards from
Tom :)

From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 5:03
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet

For now, as a big work around. . .
Do you have "luck" printing a PDF file to the HP 960?  If so, then just
export to PDF and print that file.  That will work till we get the
direct printing from LO issue fixed.  For the longest time, that was
what I did to print a duplex document on the Epson printer.

Do you have the ability to use the OSX 10.5 driver?  Or the more generic
10.1.5 to 10.4.x driver?

HP has those drivers on their web site for download.

I am not a Mac person, but since it is "sort of" a Linux-like OS
[do not tell me how it is not a Linux OS, since I am using a generic
then there must be a way to install this older driver and use it.

I know that for Linux and Windows, drivers for earlier version of the OS
can work, most times, when there is no newer version for the newer OS.
I have used 10.04 and 11.x drivers for my Ubuntu system when there has
not been one made for my 12.04 version of the OS.  Actually I have done
that with several packages.  So I am hoping that the 10.5.x driver would
work on a 10.7 OSX, since there is none listed for 10.6 or 10.7.

Also, LO 3.4.1 may not be the best version for your needs.  I had a lot
of trouble with dialogs and duplex printing till the 3.6.x line.  I use on a Linux system at this time.  So it is possible for you to
download and install the 3.6.6 version or the 4.0.4 version for OSX and
see if some of your dialog issues are fixed.

To get duplex working on all my duplexing printers [HP laser, Canon
inkjet, and Epson inkjet] I had to check the "use LO dialog" option for
the print dialogs.  That was listed as an option for Linux but did not
show up for the Windows version.  So I would expect that the OSX version
might have some different dialog options.  Before I found that "Linux
only" option, no one could figure out how to get my Epson printer to
duplex when my HP laser would.  Now I have a Canon inkjet and the check
box option works with that duplexing printer as well.

I know that Tom is a Linux person, but he has access to Mac systems, so
he may know some OSX specific option, but I have used 3 duplexing
printer and I know what works for me.

On 07/16/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
2 approaches to fix this, i've not thought about which should be number 1

1.  To use the LO dialogues ...  When the printer dialogue-box pops-up note there are 4 tabs 
at the top.  On the 1st tab you should see a list of all the printers installed.  Select the 
Hp 960 but instead of printing click on the "Properties" button.  It's just under the list.  
The "Properties" pop-up also has a couple of tabs.  The 1st should be "Paper".  Duplex is 
about the 4h drop-down.  Long-edge for Portrait but Short-edge for landscape.  My boss can 
never figure out that short-edge refers to the shortest edge of the paper, or perhaps he is 
just being kind.

2.  To change to normal dialogues ...
LibreOffice - Preferences - General - "Print dialogues" - UNtick the tick-box that says "Use 
LO dialogues".

Errr, are you sure that duplex is installed?  When you install the driver it should ask you if 
you want duplex to be included.  It might do it automatically.
Regards from
Tom :)

From: Cliff Scott <>
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 22:29
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Printing with HP 960C Deskjet

Fellow LibreOffice users -

I am running LO on a Mac, OSx 10.7.5 and the printer is a HP 960C Deskjet.
There are no native OSx drivers for the 960C so I've loaded drivers from
Guten Print, Hpijs and also an HP 9800. All three work fine with every OSx
app including OpenOffice 3.4.1. In LO the print dialog does not use the
normal OSx dialog that every other app uses, but has its own. That dialog
does not allow me to select Dual sided printing or Print Quality other than
Draft, among other missing, but not so important settings. Is there any way
around this? Why does LO do its own thing and not use the normal dialogs? I
have to have OpenOffice installed just to print properly. Very wasteful of
time and resources.

LO has fixed a number of things that are not fixed in OO so I'd much rather
use LO all the way, except for this one issue.

Thanks for any help.


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