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       Ah, yes - back before computerization, there were many teens
           [males usually]
              who would purchase an old roadster to fix up then proudly
drive it 'round town.
       They may be the ones who now are driving these oldies in the antique
car shows  ;-)

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Girvin R. Herr

And I remember when car owner's manuals were 1/4" thick at the most, and
large (readable) print.  My 2008 Toyota Prius owner's manual is 3/4" thick,
small print, and spattered with dire paragraphs about everything causing
injury or death!  Made me want to turn in my license!  It is not a good
read and, like your experience, information is not easy to find in it.  Oh,
and the owner's maintenance manual is a separate manual - equally obtuse
and with more dire warnings.  Usually, when I get a new car, I go to the
dealer's parts counter and order the factory shop manual for correct
maintenance and understanding of what is "under the hood".  When I did so
for the Prius, the parts counter guy recommended not, saying the shop
manual is intricately tied to the shop diagnostic computer system ($$$$$)
and by itself, is not very helpful.  So, i saved $100+ for the first time
in my shadetree-mechanic career and, also for the first time in my decades
of car-ownership, take it to the dealer for maintenance.
Girvin Herr

anne-ology wrote:

       ah, yes, a good book ... a readable manual ... ... ...

       I've tried at various times to read these supposed helpful manuals
only to discover more confusion ... it's like reading a foreign language
yet there's no dictionary to use for help;
           and if they happen to have sketches ... well, these tend not
to correspond with the written document.

       Automobiles, since becoming computerized, supposedly have these
helpful manuals - but reading them for something as simple as changing the
clock [an inane idea anyway] is next to impossible ... the trained
mechanics even have trouble with this one - it took 3 of them about 1/2
hour to finally figure out that one vehicle's settings were tied into the
radio dials but only if the engine was running and the gear was in park  ;-)

"crazy is as crazy does"

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr <<mailto:
girvin.herr@sbcglobal.**net <>>> wrote:

    Ahh!  The Gimp.  Great program and I do have some use for it.
     However, learning it has a _steep_ learning curve for me and,
    frankly, sitting at the screen and reading the online manual is
    not what I would prefer using my limited time for.  There are
    several "learning" books out there, but which one is the best one
    I need to learn The Gimp?  That is my problem with it.  Once or
    twice I fiddled with it and got it to do somewhat what I wanted,
    but it wasn't very intuitive and I feel it could do so much more
    for me.  If I could just get a good book on it and sit down and
    play with it...
    Girvin Herr

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