Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

       Ah, yes - back before computerization, there were many teens
           [males usually]
              who would purchase an old roadster to fix up then proudly
drive it 'round town.
       They may be the ones who now are driving these oldies in the antique
car shows  ;-)



On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Girvin R. Herr
<girvin.herr@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

And I remember when car owner's manuals were 1/4" thick at the most, and
> large (readable) print.  My 2008 Toyota Prius owner's manual is 3/4" thick,
> small print, and spattered with dire paragraphs about everything causing
> injury or death!  Made me want to turn in my license!  It is not a good
> read and, like your experience, information is not easy to find in it.  Oh,
> and the owner's maintenance manual is a separate manual - equally obtuse
> and with more dire warnings.  Usually, when I get a new car, I go to the
> dealer's parts counter and order the factory shop manual for correct
> maintenance and understanding of what is "under the hood".  When I did so
> for the Prius, the parts counter guy recommended not, saying the shop
> manual is intricately tied to the shop diagnostic computer system ($$$$$)
> and by itself, is not very helpful.  So, i saved $100+ for the first time
> in my shadetree-mechanic career and, also for the first time in my decades
> of car-ownership, take it to the dealer for maintenance.
> Girvin Herr
>
>
> anne-ology wrote:
>
> >        ah, yes, a good book ... a readable manual ... ... ...
> >
> >        I've tried at various times to read these supposed helpful manuals
> > only to discover more confusion ... it's like reading a foreign language
> > yet there's no dictionary to use for help;
> >            and if they happen to have sketches ... well, these tend not
> > to correspond with the written document.
> >
> >        Automobiles, since becoming computerized, supposedly have these
> > helpful manuals - but reading them for something as simple as changing the
> > clock [an inane idea anyway] is next to impossible ... the trained
> > mechanics even have trouble with this one - it took 3 of them about 1/2
> > hour to finally figure out that one vehicle's settings were tied into the
> > radio dials but only if the engine was running and the gear was in park  ;-)
> >
> > "crazy is as crazy does"
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr <girvin.herr@sbcglobal.net<mailto:
> > girvin.herr@sbcglobal.**net <girvin.herr@sbcglobal.net>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >     Ahh!  The Gimp.  Great program and I do have some use for it.
> >      However, learning it has a _steep_ learning curve for me and,
> >     frankly, sitting at the screen and reading the online manual is
> >     not what I would prefer using my limited time for.  There are
> >     several "learning" books out there, but which one is the best one
> >     I need to learn The Gimp?  That is my problem with it.  Once or
> >     twice I fiddled with it and got it to do somewhat what I wanted,
> >     but it wasn't very intuitive and I feel it could do so much more
> >     for me.  If I could just get a good book on it and sit down and
> >     play with it...
> >     Girvin Herr

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