On 06/02/2013 12:58 PM, NickKolok wrote:
Greetings from Russia, comrads!
I've installed Fedora and LibreOffice onto my girlfriend's computer. She started to use them some
months ago and now we have some questions to you, dear developers.
1) There was a moment when LibreOffice alerted message like "LibreOffice can't save important internal
information" (or smth like this). She couldn't close that messasge as well as save her work. We have
been trying many things for ~2 hours, but the solution was to close Firefox. So, if such situations are
possible, maybe it's worth to add tips to that message?
2) She finds unability to crop images visually in Writer very unconvenient. I mean that there is no tool
"Crop" is available in Writer but there is such a tool in Draw (with scissorson icon). Moreover,
there IS such a toll in Impress! So, can we wait and hope than once it will appear in Writer, too? Or there
is a high reason for this fact, e.g. unix-way?
Thank you for your attention and excuse me for my quite bad English.
Your English is not bad at all.
I use Ubuntu 12.04 - Debian based 64-bit installs - on my desktops. I
use MATE desktop environment instead of the default Unity, since it is
more like the GNOME 2.x desktop. I also use Windows 7 on some laptops.
Do you have any Firefox extensions for OpenOffice or LibreOffice
installed? The only thing I can think of, if you have to close
Firefoxfirst, was that they were both linked by some extension or add
on. Of course, there is the question about if there were any web linked
images or web page links in the document. I do not know is there would
be an issue there, but it still seem that the two packages are
"connected" in some way and needed the Firefox connection to be shut
down first. It may be some issue within Fedora and its settings for
both Firefox and LibreOffice.
Are you using Fedora's installed version of LibreOffice, or did you did
you download it from the LibreOffice page? What is your version of
Fedora? What is you desktop environment?
I never did much cropping withing a word processing package. I always
cropped the images in an external editor to the size I wanted, before
using it. I am not much of a Draw user, so if the image is in a bitmap
file format, like JPG or PNG, I use a package like GIMP to do the cropping.
As for a reason for not having it within Writer, I can say this. . . The
more non-text processing options within a word processor, the more
complex and "bloated" the package will be. Yes there needs to be things
likeincluding images and other things like that, but adding the image
editing options to a word processor was not a high priority items for
most users. If we included the basic image processing options from GIMP
and Draw in Writer, then it would make that part of the office suite
much more complex to maintain and to add new features. It can make a
very big mess for both the developers and the users. Microsoft Worduse
to state that they added over 1000 new features in their newest version
of their word processor. The problem was that most user I knew did not
use most of these new features or the ones in Word were not as good as
in an external package, like using GIMP for image editing/cropping. But
Microsoft kept adding more and more to the point that their install
would 2 to 3 times the drive space as is use to do thewith the previous
versions. I stopped using MS Office and Adobe's Photoshop and
Illustrator years ago when they each needed over a gigabyte of drive
space when my system had only 40 GB totalbetween two drives.
So the more non-word and text options you add to Writer the larger its
install will be. Also these options may not work as well as the
currently free or open source package that are dedicated to do those
things. We had people wanting LibreOffice to have an email client [and
more] like MS Office's Outlook/Exchange email client/system. Our
developers would have to start from scratch for most things, while
Thunderbird and Evolution have been developing their free clients for
many years. We could not compete with them. We wanted to stick with an
office suite. Many office suites do not include any type of image editor
- like Draw - in their packages. It just takes so long to develop.
LibreOffice started with the old OpenOffice.org coding and Draw was
already there, we we kept making it betteralong with the rest of the
parts that makeup our office suite. Adding major image editing options
to the word processor does not make much sense, for now. Impress uses
images and slides, which is heavy image and text editing, so it is
natural to have some internal options to work with these images, or at
least more than Writer would need.
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