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Hi :)  
The button that worries me is the "Windows key" with the MS logo on it.  Are the police likely to 
knock down my door now that i have painted over it with a rather bad copy of the Ubuntu logo?  Also 
why does Ubuntu store sell a keyboard with the Windows logo on that key?!!
Regards from
Tom :)  

From: Eric Beversluis <>
To: Tom Davies <> 
Cc: Brian Barker <>; "" 
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:50
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

But the issue is now what it's called. The problem is that it doesn't
screen down consistently, giving a full new screen save for a consistent
one- or two-line overlap at the top.

On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 15:25 +0000, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Yes, the button probably should say "Screen down" instead of page down for most uses of the 
button and only say "Page down" for those rare cases where it really does mean a page.  
Regards from  
Tom :)  

PS blimey a short answer for once!!  lol

From: Brian Barker <>
Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 15:15
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] page down in word processors

At 09:35 15/02/2013 -0500, Eric Beversluis wrote:
Something I've never figured out--and seems true of LO/OO as well as M$ Word: When reading 
through a document, one hits 'PgDn', but one doesn't get a new page--it only scrolls down 
some seemingly arbitrary number of lines. One has to scan the new screen to see what one left 
off reading and one may only have gotten a half page of new reading for the effort.

Maybe I'm spoiled by e-readers. But maybe, even after all these years, I haven't figured out 
how to do this correctly in a word processor.

I think you are missing the different functions of the two sorts of software.  E-readers are 
what they say they are: readers.  In other words, their users are using them to read documents. 
More than that, in general they will be reading the documents sequentially: when they get to 
the end of one page, they will next want to see the next page.  And the only sense of "page" is 
as much as fills the screen of the display device.

Word processors are quite different.  In general, they are still fixated on printing the final 
document: the page size is the format of the eventual supposed printed version, not necessarily 
(and not usually) the size and format of the screen used for display.  People usually choose 
settings that display less than a printed page of a document; if you were looking at such a 
screenful and then moved down a full page, you would unhelpfully have missed part of the text.

But the bigger point is that a word processor is designed for editing, not reading.  If you are 
editing at one point in a document and you now need to move down to a point currently off your 
screen image, it is not at all obvious - quite unlikely, in fact - that you would want to move 
to a following page.  It is much more likely that you would want to be able to see some part of 
the document further down but whilst also still seeing the part on which you had just been 

The original model, then, is that no-one would read documents on screen but only from hard 
copy.  It is interesting that software has been moving towards servicing screen reading, albeit 
rather slowly.  Microsoft Powerpoint allows you to save a presentation as a "slide show", in 
which case it opens for any recipient as for display, not for further editing.  Microsoft Word 
has a reading mode, which displays screenfuls - not necessarily in the original layout - and in 
which your page down function works as you want.  There is also a freeware Word Viewer 
available from Microsoft, intended for users without Microsoft Word installed.  Again, since 
this is a reader and not an editor, it responds to page down requests by moving down a 
screenful.  Oh, and try opening a read-only file with LibreOffice Writer: I think you'll find 
that it will now treat "page down" differently and move down (almost) a screenful.

Should word processing and similar software provide an explicit reading mode for use in 
reading, not editing, documents?  Possibly.  Meanwhile, if you want something close to this 
behaviour in Writer, here's your workaround: just click the Edit File button in the Standard 
toolbar to toggle on this behaviour.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

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