Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Installation

Hi :)
A normal install (instead of your script) offers tick-boxes for
 the main MS file-types so presumably they can be changed by editing the
 script.  I think the normal installers default is to leave the MS 
file-types to be opened by whatever was opening them previously.  I 
don't know what would need to be changed in the script as it looks fine 
to this non-expert.  

Does the order matter?  If you put 
ADDLOCAL=ALL before setting the MS formats to 0 does that make a 
difference? (probably not but perhaps worth exploring?).  If you leave 
out the AddLocal item does the installer still set ODF file-types to be 
read by LO?  What happens to other file-types such as pictures and 
images at the moment?  Does the AddLocal thing make jpgs try to open in 
LO Draw?  


Formats, again ... 
The
 pre-release version of LO, version 4.0.0, supposedly has better support
 got the MS formats such as DocX, XlsX and so on but it's not really 
meant for "production use" just yet.  The new branch always adds better 
support for MS formats but it's not easy.  

Each version of MSO 
implements their format in a different way.  Also MS warn there may be 
differences between the same version on different versions of their OS. 
 So, even on the same machine MSO 2010 on Win7 might have troubles with a
 file created by MSO 2010 on Xp.  MSO 2010 might have trouble with a 
file created by MSO 2007.  Does MSO 365 even still use the old DocX 
anymore or have they gone onto a new format?  

MS managed to get 
DocX, XlsX and so on accredited as ISO standards and unfortunately it's 
those ISO standards that other programs (such as LO) implemented.  
However, just as with the Rtf format (which allegedly lost a court-case 
over
 this issue), MSO never seems to implement that ISO standard in any of 
it's releases, apparently citing reasons/excuses such as  inevitable 
accidental variations or being due to the ISO standard being too 
restrictive now that technology has moved on.  

Interestingly MS 
developed Rtf allegedly as being a standard that 3rd parties would find 
easy to implement and use, to allow people to share documents across 
platforms and across different programs.  Unfortunately that format 
seemed to run into similar problems that the DocX etc formats seem to be
 running into = that even different versions of MSO couldn't reliably 
open documents consistently.  The newer DocX, XlsX etc formats all 
seemed to appear just after it seemed  that MS would lose the 
court-case.  Rtf is no longer actively developed which is usually a good
 indication that MS is withdrawing any support for it.  

The only way to reliably share documents with
 other people at the moment is to use the older MS formats such as Doc, Xls and so on but that is 
only a temporary situation.  

MS seem to be phasing out those formats too and pushing people into 
using their newer formats that seem to require everyone to be on the 
same version of their Office Suite and on the same version of their 
Operating System.  Also those old formats seemed to often be at the 
centre of warnings, over the years, about malware being spread by 
documents.  Mostly that problem was fixed by just rejecting any macro 
coding embedded in documents and only affected versions of MSO until 
patches were released and installed.  OpenOffice.org (which LO developed
 from) seemed largely unaffected.  The newer MS formats haven't suffered
 so many malware problems yet but they haven't been around as long.  

LO's
 native format is ODF which was an ISO standard long before MS got their
 format accredited. 
 Also it is the native format of almost all non-MS Office Suites and 
office programs.  The format is governed by an independant body that has
 representatives of most Office programs and Suites coordinating and  
agreeing how the format should develop and runs much more like a 
democracy.  Even MSO appears to be trying to implement it although if 
they are having trouble with formats they fully own and developed then 
just how good is their implementation likely to be?  Hopefully people 
wil continue to become more open to a format that is not completely 
dependant on the whims of 1 single company.  

ODF usage is on the
 rise and has grown quite rapidly in the last couple of years.  For many
 years it was almost entirely unheard of and it's still fairly rare but 
with the rise of LO and AOO and others in the last couple of years i 
even find people from outside my organisation sometimes prefer using 
it.  Hopefully it's rapid
 growth will continue to rise exponentially.  

So, at the moment 
if you are sharing documents with MSO users then it's probably best to 
use their older format, Doc rather than DocX.  It's also a good idea to 
send them an uneditable Pdf version of the file at the same time so that
 it looks the same regardless of what platform and which programs they 
are using.  

Perhaps teach them how to "Save As .." to also use 
the formats.  They wont be keen to use the older formats but might be 
interested to find that way also lets them create Pdfs.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Поносов Кирилл <140ponosovk@vzavod.ru>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 5:55
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] LO Installation
>
> Good day!
>
>
>
> When I try to install LibreOffice 3.5 in domen through script (msiexec /i
> "\\test.vz\LOGIN\Install\LibreOffice3.5.msi" SELECT_WORD=0 SELECT_EXCEL=0
> SELECT_POWERPOINT=0 ADDLOCAL=ALL
> REMOVE=gm_p_Base,gm_p_Base_Bin,gm_p_Draw,gm_p_Draw_Bin /qn) it changes all
> file associations on WinXP form MS to LO (Win7 change extension docx, xlsx,
> pptx), but I don't need it. How can I correct script or installation ?
>
>
>
> Yet one question: users work in organization with MS and LO. Default
> extansion for file saving is docx and xlsx. Often happen problems when files
> created in MO after open and save in LO change formatting. Are expected
> improved supporting of this format in LO ? 
>
>
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