RE: Windows 8 Compatibility (was RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: 0xc0000005 error in RPCRT4.dll from soffice.bin)

There is a difference between what the OS provides when running on the Windows 8 desktop versus 
running an MX application.  So far, I've only seen OneNote MX on what's called the Metro (or 
Modern) interface.

The MX applications run full screen (or on the side) and the application has to be designed 
appropriately for it.  I'd be surprised if it is practical to do this with the current 
OpenOffice-descendant code bases, especially for Windows RT, the version for ARM processors.

I think extensive productivity applications will continue to run on the desktop side of Windows 8, 
at least when the computer keyboard and display form factors make that appealing.  Versions 
designed for touch usage and MX-style will work on smaller form factors, including phones, and 
depend on the multi-touch gestures more.  

LibreOffice, OpenOffice, and Microsoft Office 2013 are desktop applications and benefit from what 
the OS provides without requiring application cooperation (apart from using the Windows APIs in 
ways that allows the OS personality to be extended to the application).  For some form of inputs, 
such as accepting "ink," the application has to cooperate. (Windows 8 also supports use of pen and 
stylus input.  The Windows 8 Surface comes with a stylus, but the Windows RT Surface does not.  But 
Windows 7 and the Windows XP Tablet PC editions from 2005 all support this form of input.)

Office 2007 does work with my Tablet PC's features, although I think it is essentially via OS 
provisions.  There may be some accommodation for "ink" from the Tablet PC stylus, but I have not 
explored that beyond how it works with Office 2007 OneNote.  

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:44
To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org; 'ubuysa'; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: Windows 8 Compatibility (was RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: 0xc0000005 error in 
RPCRT4.dll from soffice.bin)

Hi :)
I suspect that "compatible" means that it will work but that gestures and other stuff may not work 
fully and reliably.  Does MSO 2007 support gestures?  I doubt it.  Some may work if the OS can 
access the relevant controls.  From the original question i got the impression the person meant 
more than just working adequately and really wanted to know if everything was fully integrated and 
fully working.  Hence why i said i doubt anything is properly fully Win8 ready.  

The separate track-pad looks quite nice.  Not quite my cupp-tea although i like to play around with 
things like that for a while sometimes.  When i was working in an accountancy practice i would have 
quite like a separate number-pad but only if it had a Tab key, to jump into the net field without 
having to reach for the mouse.  The only ones i have seen are either thousands of pounds or miss 
crucial keys such as + and - let alone other useful ones such as Tab.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> To: 'Tom Davies' <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; 'ubuysa' <tonycrossuk@yahoo.co.uk>; 
> users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Friday, 14 December 2012, 16:55
> Subject: Windows 8 Compatibility (was RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: 0xc0000005 error in RPCRT4.dll 
> from soffice.bin)
>
> @Tom,
>
> What do you mean by "Win8 ready?"
>
> Do you mean integration with multi-touch, the additional UI provisions, or what?  
>
> If you mean certified for Windows 8, it will depend on whether the requirements for that have been 
> worked through.  I know of no reason why LibreOffice can't achieve that.  I don't know if it has 
> been done.  I'd be very surprised if older versions of Office don't already satisfy the essential 
> requirements.
>
> If you mean compatible with Windows 8, anything that is compatible with Windows 7 should work.
>
> I just ran the Windows 8 Upgrade Advisor on my aging Tablet PC, running Windows XP SP3.  It turns 
> out that I can't upgrade because the processor on that machine does not have hardware NX support, 
> and Windows 8 requires it as part of the tighter security with which it operates.  
>
> However, on the review of software that needed to be upgraded or that is not supported, Office 
> 2007 was listed as Compatible.  In addition, on that particular machine, the Upgrade Advisor 
> listed this software as compatible:
>
> OpenOffice.org 3.4.1
> Apache Software Foundation
>
> I'm confident, when I run the Windows 8 Upgrade Advisor where I have LibreOffice installed, I will 
> see a similar encouraging result.
>
> - Dennis
>
> PS: You can purchase boxed Microsoft Office 2013.  It is very pricey.  Here, we'll be renting, 
> since one single lease will cover all of our multiple household machines and provide all of the 
> Office components used here.  It will be much easier to have the same version of Office on all 
> systems going forward.  It was too expensive to do that before.
>
> Some Personal Windows 8 Preparations:
>
> Something else I'm doing to prepare cutting over full to Windows 8 (with older Windows and with 
> Linux running in VMs for my document forensics work).  Logitech makes a Wireless Rechargeable 
> Touchpad that provides multi-touch gestures and other features.  I am going to use it to replace 
> my mouse on Windows 7 and also confirm it with Windows 8 ahead of fully upgrading to Windows 8: 
> <http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/touchpad-t650>
>
> On Windows 7, there are multi-touch gestures that can work to zoom, scroll, etc.  
>
> On Windows 8, additional touch features supported by the operating system will also work.  This 
> allows me to keep my primary desktop system and its non-touch 30" monitor.  
>
> The touchpad should be superior to working with only a mouse and knowing all the keyboard 
> shortcuts that make Windows 8 operable without touch (and useful, though, for accessibility and 
> integration with assistive devices).  I expect that LibreOffice integration should be fine, the 
> same as for Windows 7.  (I also have added Office 2013 Preview installed on Windows 8, but I 
> haven't put it through its paces there.  I don't know if there are additional Windows 8 behaviors 
> or if it also runs essentially the same as on Windows 7.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk] 
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 05:00
> To: ubuysa; users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 0xc0000005 error in RPCRT4.dll from soffice.bin
>
> Hi :)
> Is anything Win8 ready?  MS Office 2010 and 2007 aren't.  With a new platform like that it usually 
> takes a while for people to find work-arounds and even longer for the program to update to 
> integrate better.  For MSO that will probably involve sitting out their newest version,  MSO 365 
> and then buy their next one (or rent as i'm not sure you can pay a one-off fee and then keep using 
> 'forever' any more).
> Regards from
> Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: ubuysa <tonycrossuk@yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> > Sent: Friday, 14 December 2012, 9:22
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: 0xc0000005 error in RPCRT4.dll from soffice.bin
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > Thanks for your suggestion, I did do a Google search before posting on here
> > and none of the replies were terribly helpful.
> >
> > I have found a temporary solution; setting compatibility mode for
> > swriter.exe to Windows 7 removes the problem completely. I'm now wondering
> > whether LO 3.6 is truly Windows 8 ready?
> >
> > Thank you everyone for helping.
> >
> >
> >
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