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Hi Thorsten,

Le 17/02/2012 10:24, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
The place where to bring questions to the devs has to be a visible
and accessible place.


I guess there's some work to be done to resolve those two points.

not necessarily - what would be equally workable is a group of
change agents (Regina, Cor, NoOp, you in this case, but also UX
people like Christoph), who have their eyes&  ears here and at the
forums and convey to ux-advise or the dev list.

Good point and certainly a workable intermediate option. Unfortunately, reading some of the msgs on UX lead me to think the devs aren't ready for that.

Also, what would greatly reduce the cost&  friction that changes
will cause in the future, is early feedback.


We invested quite some
resources into providing nightly builds here:

(and my, and other hackers' personal time and money to keep those
hosts running), so any suggestion to have people actually download&
play with those builds greatly appreciated.

I, for one, have no time enough to play with all the toys that come up in the Libre software world. I happen to download and test LibO builds, but that's not on a regular basis and much of what I learn is from others' mouths.

Cedric blogged his feature here:

(that's also aggregated on,

Yes, but that blog article (like most of the msgs that were posted on the lists) was aimed at headers and footers, not text boundaries that I feel are considered as some kind of a "sub-product" from the latter. I did participate on the FR discussion list to the header/footer talks but, at that time, left completely apart the text boundaries. I should have been more vocal about that, certainly, but I stood on topic... :(

possibly we could do better spreading the word - would someone
(you?) be interested in compiling a weekly or monthly newsletter for

More simply: give more visibility to the UX list. I share your thoughts that given it's aim, many won't subscribe. But those interested will know of its existence.

Thanks for jumping in indeed - well, you *did* it yourself. Let's
see where that (constructive) discussion gets us to.


Thanks for your time,
Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux

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