RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?

Hi :)
I was saying the format itself is proprietary.  I was not talking about programs that view, read or 
write the format.  

MS produced a .docX specification which had "Open" in the title and got it awarded ISO status.  
Their newer word-processors reads and writes a .docX format.  Therefore their word-processor uses 
an "Open" format, right?  No holes in that logic!?  lol.

The Adobe blog does say some very nice things about Pdf.  Who produces the Pdf spec?  Adobe.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:

From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 22:03

A variety of PDF specifications have become established as international standards.  The first was 
for PDF/A (archival purposes) and there have been others since.

There are of course open-source versions of PDF and Postscript viewers and creators. The code that 
produces and reads PDF in LibreOffice is clearly an open implementation.  

The inclusion of attachments and even having an index of attachments is covered in the ISO PDF 
Standard.  It is this feature that is used for hybrid ODF-PDF documents: 
<http://blogs.adobe.com/insidepdf/2010/11/pdf-file-attachments.html>.  (You'll notice that making 
hybrid Microsoft Office - PDF documents is a feature of Adobe Acrobat products.)

The agreement for interoperability with ODF attachments in PDF documents and how they are handled 
automatically is up to the supporters of ODF-PDF hybrid documents.  There is nothing that Adobe 
needs to do.  Any ODF-specific protocol is a matter for the ODF-supporting office suites to work 
out.

If someone wanted to work up and publish an agreed profile for this use case, the OASIS ODF 
Interoperability and Conformance TC could be used for that purpose.  It would then be up to ODF 
Consumers that also produce and consume PDF to line up.

This is also something that could be made the subject of ODF Plugfest activity.  

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:39
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?

Hi :)
Pdf is a proprietary format.  There is no "Open" version and no community.  Testing is done on a 
relatively small number of machines.  It would be really great if there were a successfull 
OpenDocument Format equivalent that gained even as much traction as Odt etc have.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 11/1/12, Carlo Strata <carlo.strata@tiscali.it> wrote:

From: Carlo Strata <carlo.strata@tiscali.it>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" format?
To: "LibreOffice, users" <users@global.libreoffice.org>
Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 19:12

Hi Everyone,

I'm asking about the standardization of *hybrid pdf* format.

This is because I think it is a very useful "thing", but I don't want to use it too much if it is a 
weak standard that is pretty near to be changed or abandoned.
Is Oasis-Open or ISO or other standard Organization well defining this format?

What do you think about?

Have a nice evening,

Carlo

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