Re: Fw: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO auto save

Piers Anthony [Scifi/Fantasy writer] has been using OOo/LO to write his 
book for years.  He is a Linux user as well.  He maintains a list of 
publishing company for people who want to have their books published.  
He also has some of his books printed with "print on demand" service 
companies.  Here is the link to his list.
http://www.hipiers.com/publishing.html

To be honest, as far as I have heard and read, each publishing company 
tend to have their own preferred format for the books you send to them.  
Books with photos and images may be different from text only ones.  For 
print-on-demand companies, Lulu.com has templates for their book size 
formats.  Each book size they produce has a different page format.  Once 
you have your book formatted for that page size [US Trade Paperback is 
6" by 9"], then you save it in PDF format so it is exactly the way it 
should look.  From that PDF book, the companies will produce your book.

As for creating a PDF file, LO's Export to PDF works great, if you do 
not have specialty fonts, say handwriting or one that looks like it is 
made out of bones.  If you have some of these specialty fonts, I 
recommend that you use doPDF for Windows and CUPS-PDF for Linux [I use 
XP, Vista, and Ubuntu].  They will produce the documents with the fonts 
embedded [make sure that option is used for doPDF] within the PDF 
document so the reader's system will not try to substitute not-installed 
fonts with ones installed on their systems.  I am told that LO's Export 
to PDF tends to do this with fonts that are not in its "core" font list.

Here is Lulu's list of book sizes and their templates for the pages and 
the covers for these sizes.
http://www.lulu.com/publish/books/?cid=us_home_nav_bk

As for backing up your documents, I worked at a place that did the 
following:  Daily backs go to a different room in on the other side of 
the building.  Weekly backups went to a building owned by the company.  
Monthly backups went to a location off-site in a building/facility that 
was used by several companies to store their backups in a safe 
"fire-proof" environment.  For you, having CD/DVD storage along with USB 
Flash drives [thumb-drive, jump-drive, etc.] it a good way to do it.  I 
would save it on your media of choice and place it in a "fire-proof" 
lock box in a different room than you use for your computer.  Also, I 
would make sure you save copies on CD/DVD of all your work and lock them 
away in a box stored at a different location, on the off chance of a 
fire at your place.  To be honest, you should burn a CD or DVD of all 
your books and seal them in an envelope and have your lawyer sign and 
date it, plus keep it in their files for proof you created it by that 
date and it is your work.  This helps with legal issues if you do not 
copyright the books right away.  I am told that the Library of Congress 
does some book copyrighting, but you will need to verify that.

I saw the listed info about 40 books.  Could you tell us what type of 
books your are producing?  It would be nice to have it recorded that an 
author is using LO to create "such and such" books.  Piers Anthony, the 
author, was the one that got me looking at OOo in its early days, since 
he started with Star Office, then went to OOo.  He need a package [and 
OS] that could use his type of keyboard and  create macros that would 
help make his work easier.  He went to Linux for the OS that works 
easily with his non-QWERTY keyboard, and OOo for the macro support.  I 
have not kept up with his author's notes and online newsletter, so I do 
not know if he has switched over to LO, when OOo stopped putting out 
updates.  As I said, it would be nice to have a list of authors and 
document/book types created using LO.  It is a good marketing tool.  
These authors and businesses use LO to do their work, you can too . . .

I hope this helps you in some way.  I had to do the research about 
print-on-demand services for a local historical society's history books 
publications.
.
On 10/27/2011 03:44 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
<snip>
> BU?
> Back-Ups done by LibreOffice/OpenOffice are placed in a sub-folder inside your user-profile
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426
> NOT in the same folder as the original document.  Eggs and baskets right?  For a large work it is a 
> good plan to create a copy on a usb-stick or Cds/Dvd and/or another hard-drive on another machine 
> elsewhere.  Some people kept their back-ups in the other tower thinking that if some catastrophe 
> affected their copy then the other tower would be safe.  Sadly not.  I found that i was keeping an 
> external hard-drive in the same bag as the laptops power-supply but luckily it didn't have anything 
> crucial on it.  And a usb-stick in front of a Crt monitor was pretty dumb too (on at least 2 
> counts).
>
>
> Self Publishing at Lulu.com
> http://www.lulu.com/
> is worth exploring but i think you are talking about a more traditional, professional route.  
> Perhaps something like
> Editors/Publishing house - Printing company - distribution network/shops?
>
>
> I thought editors, publishers, printing companies (and all that) demanded using doc format or now 
> probably docX?  ODF will become more acceptable once it gains market-share through Libreoffice and 
> other programs.  Like OpenOffice there have been strong efforts to make sure it gets under-promoted 
> but the shackles are off now with TDF driving LibreOffice.
>
> Since people seem used to getting Rtfs from you i think the best bet is to start giving people a 
> copy of your work in both Pdf and Rtf.
>
> Pdf by default is compressed with very lossy jpg compression but LibreOffice allows you to change 
> that.  A Pdf is a lot like a photograph of your work so people see how you intended it to be laid 
> out.  Rtf, Doc, DocX and Odt all display differently on different machine partly due to having 
> different printers and settings.
>
> Just yesterday i started being able to switch from giving Pdf&  doc to Pdf&  Odt to some people.  Notably 
> (for me) my boss has started using Odt for certain specific documents that involve images.  I think for most people 
> i still need to use Pdf&  Doc or Pdf&  DocX.  By giving 2 files they get 1 that they can edit and 1 that 
> shows the intended layout.
>
> Most Pdfs editors seem clunky and Adobe's seems to need constant security updates which does not 
> inspire confidence in using it, nor in viewing documents that it's edited.  LibreOffice can 
> allegedly edit Pdfs but it's easier to edit the Doc, DocX, Odt, Rtf or whatever and then
> File - Export as Pdf
> or
> File - Print - To File (instead of to a pritner) - Pdf rather than Ps or whatever
> I've only seen the 1st option but some say they have the 2nd one too.  Apparently the 2nd one is 
> better. lol
>
>
>
> Rtf
> I think Rtf was developed as a format that would allow interoperability between different programs 
> on different platforms
> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=10725
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
> I think it's the default format for Wordpad.  Unfortunately it had fairly low take-up, possibly as 
> a result of being a lot more closed and proprietary than allegedly intended
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format#Criticism
>
> Now, of course, Microsoft has developed a new "Open" standard
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docx
> although MS Office's implementation seems to be sufficiently quirky that documents created in non-Microsoft programs 
> that are then opened in MS Office appear to be quite messed-up, particularly pictures.  This has effectively forced 
> people to buy the newer MS Office suites, 2007 and 2010 (or on Mac their MSO 2008) in order to be able to use their new 
> "cross-platform" "Open" standards.
>
> The new docX format seems to have led to MS stopping development of Rtf.  According to
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/dd797428.aspx
> (from http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=8628 )
> it seems that people can still read/write the current version of Rtf in MS Office 2010 but it's not 
> clear what will happen in the newer MS Office when it comes out in a year or two.
>
> Part of the attraction of Rtf was that it eliminated macros.  When malicious code and malware was 
> spread by MS document formats it was often through macros, so using Rtf was a good security 
> precaution.  The newer DocX does allow macros but, of course, MS assures us that macros are now 
> safe in the new format just as they previously assured us that macros were safe in their old 
> formats.  Rtf also significantly reduced other clutter and resulted in much smaller file-sizes and 
> better protection of privacy.
>
>
> Odf; Odt, Ods
> OpenDocument Formats such as Odt (for text or more accurately, word-processor documents) also allow macros 
> but use a sufficiently different programming language's implementation that so far there appear to have been 
> no malware, malicious code or exploits "out in the wild".
>
> MS Office 2007&  2010 can read/write Odt but only using the older version of the format, unlike 
> most programs that support Odf
> http://opendocumentfellowship.com/applications
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_software#Text_documents_.28.odt.29
>
> To make LibreOffice (or i guess OpenOffice too) use the older format to increase compatibility with 
> MS Office try
> Tools - Option - Load/Save - General
> (been here before, see Steve's answer) and about halfway down change the drop-down backward up 2 places from "1.2 
> Extended (recommended)" to "1.0/1.1"
>
> Odf seems to support much more sophisticated placement of pictures or perhaps it's just LibreOffice/OpenOffice.  After 
> saving a document as Odt you can right-click on a picture and change the "Anchor Point" to a greater variety 
> than Office 2007 offers (and i think 2010 too) which allows you move pictures around much more easily and freely.  On 
> that right-click menu choosing "Picture" (or frame) brings a pop-up box with many tabs allowing many options 
> for wrapping text around a picture, creating a border and/or margin around the picture, even easily adding a hyperlink 
> to make the picture clickable.
>
>
> Doc
> Is the older MS Office format and seems to now be the one format that is most widely used in the 
> greatest variety of programs.  You can set it as the default in LibreOffice / OpenOffice
> Tools - Option - Load/Save - General
> (again) at the bottom keep the drop-down that says "Text document" (slightly inaccurately) but change the 
> drop-down beside it backwards up 1 place to "Microsoft Word 97/2000/Xp".  If you change the other types of 
> documents (Spreadsheets (Ods) and Presentations (Odp)) then it's 2 places otherwise you save things as templates which 
> can get messy and confusing.
>
> Of course Doc is probably about the most vulnerable format and wide open to malware and a wide 
> range of problems but none of those will be generated from LibreOffice.  A 3rd party might infect 
> it but if the documents is going to go from
> You - Editor/Publishing house - Printers
> then it should be fairly safe, or at least fairly obvious who to blame.  If professional printing 
> companies and editors/publishing houses still demand that only Doc format is used then hopefully 
> the keep their software updated enough to avoid the problems.  If they demand DocX they can 
> probably still cope with Doc.
>
> Doc probably can't handle the full range of options for pictures and things that Odt allows and 
> it's vulnerable but at least most people are able to use it!
>
>
> Pdf
> "Portable Document Format".  Not many people can edit these.  Not many programs can.  Another 
> advantage is that pictures and stuff don't get re-arranged and also the layout remains the same on every 
> computer no matter what printers are attached or what settings are chosen for the machine.  With most 
> word-processor documents if the person viewing has their setting set as US Letter and you had yours at A4 
> then all the text and everything all get shifted around very noticeably.  Pdf is like a photograph of your 
> document.  With LibreOffice, unlike Word, you can easily choose how much compression to set or even make it 
> lossless to avoid any compression.  Even if you choose a high compression it still gives people a rough idea 
> of the layout you intended.
>
>
> I hope something there helps!  Switching to LO is a huge improvement for me especially as it has 
> developed so fast, and since the long-awaited official release of the ODF 1.2 that so many people 
> had been using for ages already anyway.  LO seems much better than Word 2007 and a bit better than 
> Word 2010 both of which are beginning to make me growl when forced to use them.  The ribbon in 2010 
> is far better than the 2007 and i really miss it in LO but it takes up a lot of space without 
> really adding anything except glossy good looks.n  Hopefully you will find LO a vast improvement on 
> Wordpad!! lol
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 26/10/11, Don Parris<parrisdc@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > From: Don Parris<parrisdc@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO auto save
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Date: Wednesday, 26 October, 2011, 23:04
> <snip />
>
> > I can say it is extremely unlikely that your printer relies on a specific
> > document format - it should print any type of document you send it.
> >
> > As for document formats, I would think that ODT is a "better" format, but
> > you can also save as a regular Microsoft Word document (should you need to),
> > or export to PDF format.  I self-published my book using LO (years ago) and
> > exported to PDF to publish it on Lulu.com.
> >
> > I am 99.99% certain that, while it might take a little bit of adjustment,
> > you will find switching to LO a super nice adjustment to make.  :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Don
> > --
> > D.C. Parris, FMP, LEED AP O+M, ESL Certificate
> > Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
> > https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parris  |
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris
>
> --------
>
>
> --- On Wed, 26/10/11, Murray White<phymur@rogers.com>  wrote:
>
> > From: Murray White<phymur@rogers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO auto save
> > To: "users@global.libreoffice.org"<users@global.libreoffice.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, 26 October, 2011, 22:41
> > Thanks to both of you. I'll save this
> > in a folder as I have a good memory -- just short!
> >
> > I'm working on a very large document currently at 215 pages
> > and have been using Wordpad and I do a BU of that each day
> > when I add any new text which I create in a separate file.
> >
> > I have to now decide whether to continue with the use of
> > WordPad for my daily work and just add to the LO file after
> > doing the WP doc as .rtf. I'm currently saving the LO file
> > as .odt but will likely do another save as .rtf to see how
> > it looks as I'm not sure what the differences are. I also
> > don't know if the printer of the book being created will be
> > able to work from .odt or will prefer .rtf.
> >
> > Unfortunately, WP does not show how many pages are complete
> > or give the page breaks and because this document has both
> > text and photos (many) the LO is nice to use.
> >
> > For years I have used Works but for this I felt it might be
> > an issue when the document goes to a printer as we will be
> > doing close to 40 books.
> >
> > Any thoughts from experienced LO users would be
> > appreciated. At some point I really need to look up some LO
> > tutorials to fully understand all that the program will do
> > and offers.
> >
> > I have not checked the "always make BU as I thought that if
> > that occurs after each save, it could create some delays
> > when dealing with a big file but once I adjust the current
> > file and then begin to do the additional add on of
> > information, I think I'll try the auto BU. I assume it will
> > save a file called "copy" (previous file name) into the same
> > folder.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > MW
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Tom Davies<tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:48:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO auto save
> >
> > Hi :)
> > Yes, or use Steve's answer to set it at a reasonably longer
> > time-interval (jic you do get carried away and forget). 
> > Hmmm, longest is 60mins apparently.  It is a good idea to
> > have the back-up thing ticked jic but i think that is
> > unticked by default while the autosave is ticked. 
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 26/10/11, Steve Edmonds<steve.edmonds@ptglobal.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Steve Edmonds<steve.edmonds@ptglobal.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO auto save
> > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, 26 October, 2011, 20:39
> > > Hi.
> > > In options>load/save>general.
> > > this is under my Tools menu item.
> > >
> > > I turn off (untick) the backup and auto recovery options.
> > >
> > > steve
> > >
> > > On 27/10/11 08:29, Murray White wrote:
> > > > I just downloaded and install LO today and am trying
> > > out some things. One thing I wonder is if there is any way
> > > to turn off the auto save? I prefer to use Ctrl + S at my
> > > own choosing or to return to auto save if I find I prefer
> > > that option.
> > > > MW


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